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Dáil
‹ Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Primary Schools.

Class sizes and primary teacher recruitment

Summary

The Minister estimated that eliminating primary classes over 40 would require 1,600 additional teachers, costing about £7.5 million annually in salaries and up to £19 million for classrooms. He said reducing the pupil-teacher ratio was the Government’s priority and that he would recruit as many teachers as possible, but gave no firm timetable or commitment to recruit 1,600; Members pressed him on planning and implementation.

asked the Minister for Education the total cost in 1978 and the annual cost thereafter of the abolition of all classes over 40 in primary schools; and if he will specify the method of calculation and give a breakdown between current and capital costs.

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It is estimated that 1,600 additional teachers would be needed in order to ensure that, with proper organisation, no class in a national school would exceed 40 pupils.

The total cost in a full year of the salaries of 1,600 additional teachers would be of the order of £7.5 million.

The total capital cost of providing new classroom accommodation for 1,600 teachers, if such were necessary in all cases, would be of the order of £19 million.

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Can we take it that these teachers, and the amount of capital provision that may be necessary, will be provided by the Government during their term of office?

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I can assure the Deputy that I am pushing ahead as far as I can and I am not exactly playing with the wind all the time.

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Edward Collins Mr. E. Collins Fine Gael

Although the Minister does not play with the wind he would have to have proper consultations.

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The Leader of the Deputy's party, and Deputy Barry, a former Minister for Education, admitted that I had a good scheme. The Deputy should check with his Leader.

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Jim Mitchell Mr. Mitchell Fine Gael

That was the Jesuit influence.

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I have plenty of consultation with all the people available for consultation.

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Edward Collins Mr. E. Collins Fine Gael

I can assure the Minister that he will have my support for any proper scheme he comes forward with but he should not mess around again.

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Have faith in me.

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Edward Collins Mr. E. Collins Fine Gael

I have not.

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The Deputy should know that faith moves mountains, even me.

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Jim Mitchell Mr. Mitchell Fine Gael

It did not move the ground rents.

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We are spreading the area.

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Joseph Brennan An Ceann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

I am anxious to move a few questions off the Order Paper.

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Edward Collins Mr. E. Collins Fine Gael

Can the Minister indicate the plans he has for increasing the output of primary school teachers in the next five or ten years?

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I have assured the House on numerous occasions that, as we stated in our manifesto which was put before the people and got their approval in the general election, our number one priority will be the reduction in the pupil-teacher ratio in primary schools. We cannot do this without recruiting more teachers. I intend to recruit the maximum number possible.

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Will the Minister be recruiting 1,600?

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Will he be recruiting 400 each year for the next four years?

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I am pushing ahead.

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Edward Collins Mr. E. Collins Fine Gael

How does the Minister plan to increase the number of teachers? Because he printed this proposal in a manifesto does not mean the number will appear.

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I thought I should be asked questions but now I find that I am being addressed. There is an allocution to the Minister.

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Edward Collins Mr. E. Collins Fine Gael

There is no planning.

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