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‹ Ceisteanna—Questions . Oral Answers . - Local Authority Rents .

Local authority rent increases

Summary

The Minister said the revised rent scheme would be reviewed annually, but there were no specific proposals to change it; any changes following the next review would take effect next year. Members challenged the Green Paper’s suggestion that local authorities need increased rental income, questioning whether this implied rent rises and arguing it was inequitable alongside the abolition of rates on some properties. The Minister defended considering differing rent and rates burdens without announcing an increase.

asked the Minister for Economic Planning and Development if, with reference to paragraph 5.22 of the recent Government Green Paper, it is intended to increase local authority rents; if so, when such increases will be sanctioned or implemented; and the percentage increase that is anticipated.

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Martin O'Donoghue Professor O'Donoghue Fianna Fáil

: A revised rent scheme for local authority dwelings was introduced with effect from the beginning of February, 1978. The terms of the scheme were agreed following discussions with local authority offi-cials and representatives of the National Association of Tenants' Organisations and provided for the annual review of the scheme. At present, there are no specific proposals to alter the rent scheme. Any changes in the scheme arising out of the next review will not apply until next year.

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: Does the Minister accept that at paragraph 5.22 of the Green Paper the statement is that increased rental income is needed by local authorities? Is that not a judgment in advance of whatever options the Green Paper is supposed to put forward for consideration?

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Joseph Brennan An Ceann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

: That is a question loaded with argument. It is not in order.

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: It is nice to see that the Minister has climbed down.

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: May we expect increased local authority charges in the near future? Is it not a fact that the Green Paper narrows the income needed by local authorities to increased rental income? Would it not be fair to say that if the Minister's mind were open on this matter he would say that increased income is needed by local authorities? If he says that increased rental income is needed, is it not logical to say that rents will go up?

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Martin O'Donoghue Professor O'Donoghue Fianna Fáil

: The possibilities in this area are also being examined, and I have already said there are no specific proposals to alter the rents scheme at this time.

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: Would the Minister not consider that it is rather a contradiction to abolish the claw-back on the one hand and, on the other hand, to increase local authority rents? It would appear that the reply to this question was drafted in the Department of the Environment and that this particular section of the Green Paper has already been deleted and excised. The reply is a complete climb down.

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Martin O'Donoghue Professor O'Donoghue Fianna Fáil

: I am not so aware.

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Jim Mitchell Mr. Mitchell Fine Gael

: Does the Minister not consider that it is anomalous and inequitable to be suggesting increases in local authority rents when at the same time his Government are abolishing rates on mansions and castles?

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Joseph Brennan An Ceann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

: This is entering into the realm of debate which would be much more appropriate to the discussion on the Green Paper.

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Jim Mitchell Mr. Mitchell Fine Gael

: It depends on the attitude of the Minister towards the rich. This is a "screw the poor" document.

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Martin O'Donoghue Professor O'Donoghue Fianna Fáil

: Pause now while with tears in our eyes we contemplate the plight of the widow left in what the Deputy might describe as a mansion but which might be a very modest house which nonetheless has a very onerous rates bill. Contemplate, on the other hand, somebody in a local authority dwelling who, for whatever reasons, historically has a very low rent which may be expressed in pence rather than pounds and there could yet be a current income——

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Jim Mitchell Mr. Mitchell Fine Gael

: That is theory. We are talking about practice.

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Martin O'Donoghue Professor O'Donoghue Fianna Fáil

: I can play the same game as the Deputy any day of the week.

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: It is nice to see that the Minister has changed his attitude.

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Martin O'Donoghue Professor O'Donoghue Fianna Fáil

: No, I have not changed my attitude.

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