£620 million transfer resource figure
Deputies questioned the basis and adequacy of the reported £620 million transfer-resource figure for joining the proposed system. The Minister said it was not a final figure, depended on the form of any aid, and involved ongoing negotiations; he would consider providing more detail for the debate.
The Minister referred to the early publication of a White Paper and I should like to know if he could tell the House, in advance of our debate next week——
Comment on this
No. The Minister has referred to a transfer resource of £620 million and I should like to know if he would indicate to the House the basis of calculation. He has said that this £620 million would be sought by us over the next five years if we see our way into this new currency arrangement and I should like to know on what figures or calculations that £620 million is based. It appears to be inadequate for the kind of difficult adjustment that would occur in the period of our currency realignment and the country is guessing on what figures the Minister has set his figure of £620 million which he apparently is seeking.
Comment on this
With due deference to the Deputy I do not think that arises on these questions; it may be a matter to be covered in the course of next week's debate. The calculation of figures of that kind rest on quite a number of fairly complex issues. It should be borne in mind that in so far as that figure has emerged publicly I do not think it emerged from me. It represents a stage in negotiations which are going on at present. It is not necessarily a final position.
Comment on this
Would the Minister agree that it is not wise tactics in negotiations of this complex nature to give as the upper figure of our request the £620 million, a figure which appears to the Opposition to be inadequate in view of the rather excruciating adjustments that will occur in the Irish economy if we find ourselves in line with this new currency? There is a public impression abroad that realigning our currency with the new European one will give us a bed of roses situation.
Comment on this
The two questions before the House relate to contingency arrangements and I cannot permit a question on anything else.
Comment on this
Is it wise that the Minister should give as the upper figure in his negotiations on the transfer of resources a figure of £620 million which appears to be inadequate?
Comment on this
The Deputy should bear in mind that a great deal depends on the form of aid, if I might call it that, which might become available in the concurrent studies. As of now there is no guarantee that any such aid would become available but, as to what would emerge, a great deal would depend on the format it would take and what it would be directed to. It is not possible to indicate at this stage in the negotiations what would be the optimum position for us having regard to the fact that the final version of the form it might take has not yet been determined. The most I can hope to do in the course of the debate next week is to indicate the current state of play but we would not be in a position to indicate the final position arising and, therefore, to make an assessment. Indeed, the Deputy would not be in a position to make an assessment of what should be required as a result of that.
Comment on this
The figure of £620 million was reported in the newspapers and the Minister has told us that it did not come directly from him but I am sure the newspapers did not pluck it out of the air either. There must be some basis for that figure. I am sure the Minister will appreciate that the calculations by which this figure was arrived at would be of assistance during next week's debate and during the substantive debate that will take place later. I should like to know if he would give us an indication of how this figure or whatever figure he has in mind was arrived at? If he gives it to us next week it will be of great assistance.