Would the Minister of State confirm that his statement with regard to the problems of prospective purchasers and existing mortgage holders can be questioned because since he became Minister of State he has never met the building societies? First, will the Minister of State confirm if he has ever met the building societies since he became Minister of State in view of the increase in interest rates from 13.15 per cent to 16.25 per cent?

It is not relevant to the question but I will answer it. I have not.

The Minister has not. With a 3 per cent increase in interest rates the Minister has not met them to discuss it.

Let the Minister answer the question.

I have not met them but I have indicated to the building societies that I will be meeting them in the very near future and they are aware of that.

The Minister has never thought it worth his while to meet the building societies.

Would the Deputy please have respect for the Chair?

I have respect for the Chair. But when the Minister comes in here and bluffs for an hour at Question Time and says he has never met the building societies at a time when mortgages are going from 13.15 to 16.25 per cent, one has to question his commitment. He has never even bothered to meet the building societies.

The Deputy may not make a statement. I am calling Deputy John Callanan.

He is showing a total disregard for mortgage holders.

Obviously this National Housing Agency is having a grave effect on Deputy Burke. I am sorry it is having that effect on Deputy Burke.

The Minister never bothered his barney to go and meet the building societies to discuss the increase. It is a disgrace. It shows the Minister's commitment to mortgage holders.

He is very upset. I am sorry for Deputy Burke.

I would ask the Deputy not to be disorderly.

May I ask a further question on this?

No. I am sorry.