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Dáil
‹ Ceisteanna — Questions. Oral Answers. - Fuel Schemes.

Fuel VAT relief for elderly people

Summary

Leyden sought immediate relief from the 5% VAT on fuel, citing its impact on elderly fuel-voucher recipients. The Ceann Comhairle ruled it a separate question and disallowed discussion, directing Members to raise it during the budget debate; Leyden and Gallagher challenged the ruling.

Would the Minister make provision immediately to alleviate the 5 per cent VAT imposition on fuel, which will have a very serious effect on elderly people in receipt of fuel vouchers? I raise that matter as it is one of grave urgency resulting from the budget in the preparation and presentation of which the Minister collaborated.

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Thomas J. Fitzpatrick An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

That is a separate question and there can be no speeches.

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I do not believe it is a separate question.

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Thomas J. Fitzpatrick An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Well, it is what the Chair believes that rules.

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Is it not the Minister who decides?

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Thomas J. Fitzpatrick An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

No, it is what the Chair rules.

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I recall, when I was Minister of State that I decided to take questions, as requested or not. Has there been a change in the precedent?

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Thomas J. Fitzpatrick An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

No, Deputy, there is no change, but——

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On a point of order, a Cheann Comhairle, I am putting a question to the Minister in relation to a very urgent matter which has arisen as a result of the budget introduced yesterday. I recall that when I was over on those benches if a Deputy put a question to me, I would, if possible, answer that question. The Chair did not protect me.

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Thomas J. Fitzpatrick An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

There is no question of the Chair protecting anybody. The Chair, having before him the question and hearing the supplementary question, decides whether it is a separate question. I am ruling that it is a separate question.

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A Cheann Comhairle, does the fact that the Minister has not answered indicate that his answer would be in the negative?

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Thomas J. Fitzpatrick An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

The Chair is not aware of what would be the Minister's answer.

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A Cheann Comhairle, with respect——

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Thomas J. Fitzpatrick An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Question No. 3.

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On a point of order, a Cheann Comhairle, this has serious repercussions for any Member of this House. Are you now saying, Sir, that you will decide on the content of supplementary questions? What precedent are you using, a Cheann Comhairle?

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Thomas J. Fitzpatrick An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I am referring the Deputy to the Standing Order dealing with supplementary questions which confers on the Chair a discretion both as to the number and content of supplementary questions.

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Well, I totally disagree with your ruling on this one.

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Thomas J. Fitzpatrick An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I would refer the Deputy to Standing Orders.

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On a point of order, would the Ceann Comhairle not deviate from the usual practice on this occasion in view of the fact that it is a matter of national importance for the elderly?

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Thomas J. Fitzpatrick An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

There is another reason why this type of question cannot be allowed. We are having a budget debate and this affords ample opportunity to raise this matter.

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The Minister for Labour is collaborating in a budget which is anti-social.

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Thomas J. Fitzpatrick An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

The Deputy is being disorderly.

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I am being realistic.

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