Census figures and constituency revisions
Haughey repeatedly asked whether census figures indicated that constituency revisions were necessary. The Chair ruled that interpreting the figures in relation to election law was outside the Minister of State’s remit; the Taoiseach said an answer could involve interpreting a High Court decision. No statistical answer was given.
Would the Minister of State inform us whether or not the results of the census are such as to necessitate a revision of the constituencies and what plans the Government have in mind in that regard?
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If the Deputy will bear with the Chair for one moment. The Minister of State produced the requisite figures. The Minister for the Environment is in charge of elections and that sort of thing and so this would be a matter for a different Minister.
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My question is related to the statistics. Do the census results disclose statistical trends which would indicate a revision of constitutencies would be desirable or mandatory. I will leave it at that.
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I must not be articulating clearly. I am asking the Minister of State for statistical information, namely, whether or not the census results statistically indicate a revision of the constituencies is desirable or mandatory.
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(Dún Laoghaire): Without trying to be unhelpful the question put to me derived, I believe, from the original question which was ruled out of order on the basis that portion of the question had already been answered by the Minister for the Environment. The information I am supplying is purely in relation to the question I have just answered. However, I shall try to be as helpful as possible and I will bring to the attention of the Minister for the Environment the point raised by the Leader of the Opposition in relation to the matter.
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The Chair is clearly of the opinion that Deputy Haughey is asking the Minister of State to interpret statistics or to explain what effect these statistics will have on certain other statutes and, that being so, he is certainly not in order.
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The Minister of State talked about my making a point. I am not making a point. I am asking a very direct statistical question, namely, whether or not the census figures statistically indicate some changes or some revisions of the constituencies are necessitated. That is totally statistical information.
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That is not within this Minister's bailiwick. This Minister's bailiwick is to gather information and it is for other Ministers to say whether the information so gathered will affect their Departments or affect legislation for which they are responsible.
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I am not asking the Minister of State to enter into any policy areas whatsoever. I am only asking him to indicate to me whether or not the census figures, having regard to the statistical situation laid down for the constituencies, indicate that some change is now necessary.
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The Chair only wants to have a friendly exchange of words with Deputy Haughey. Really Deputy Haughey is asking the Minister of State to go and get an Act and see how that Act will be affected by information which he in his capacity as junior Minister in charge of statistics has collected.
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On a point of order, the difficulty that arises here is that the answer would involve an interpretation of a High Court decision and that is something which could not be done on account of a statistical question.
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The Taoiseach has made a point of order to the Chair and the point of order is that to answer the Deputy's question might involve the interpretation of a High Court decision which would not be within the bailiwick of the Minister of State at the Department of the Taoiseach.
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How does the Taoiseach arrive at the conclusion that for the Minister of State to answer my question would involve the interpretation of the Act?
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I will not have criss-cross questions between the Taoiseach and the former Taoiseach.
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On a point of order, I put down the question and I put it down originally to the Minister for the Environment and it was ruled out of order because part of the question had been dealt with previously. The information I wanted to elicit here in the House was whether the changes shown in the census would necessitate a revision of the constituencies——
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——in which I have a particular interest and so has every other Member of the House except the Ceann Comhairle. So far my efforts directed to the Minister for the Environment and the Taoiseach to obtain enlightenment on this very important matter have not been successful.