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Dáil
‹ Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Disadvantaged and Severely Handicapped Areas.

Review of disadvantaged area boundaries

Summary

The Minister said the review examined more than 10,000 townlands and that submissions were closed, but the Government had not yet considered the scheme and no submission had gone to Brussels. He could not give a definite publication date, though he hoped the scheme would be ready during the year; he expected a greater total acreage to be included.

asked the Minister for Agriculture if new criteria have been agreed on to allow extra areas of the 12 western counties into the severely handicapped areas.

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asked the Minister for Agriculture the reasons for the delay in allocating the remaining parts of the 12 western counties into the severely handicapped area; the date on which the last submission was made to Brussels on this matter; the areas recommended; the date on which they will be accepted; and if he will make a statement on the matter.

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asked the Minister for Agriculture the reason for the delay in having additional lands in disadvantaged areas designated as severely handicapped.

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asked the Minister for Agriculture the progress that has been made in having disadvantaged areas, details of which have been submitted to his Department included under the disadvantaged areas scheme; when it is expected that approval will be issued by the EEC to have these areas included; if it is his intention to have additional submissions accepted by his Department from areas throughout the country; and if he will make a statement on the matter.

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I propose to take Questions Nos. 14 to 17, inclusive, together. I would refer the Deputies to the answer given to questions on the disadvantaged areas on 14 December 1983. The current review has involved an examination of the local situation on a townland rather than on a district electoral division basis, and has covered in excess of 10,000 townlands. A very full opportunity has already been given to local bodies and individuals to make submissions for changes and I doubt whether any further submissions at this late stage of the review would serve any useful purpose. I am not, however, able to indicate at this stage how soon the matter will be finalised by the Government and eventually by the EEC authorities.

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Is it a fact, as has been circulating in Kerry through Fine Gael, that many areas outside the severely handicapped areas will be included?

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The matter is being finalised at the moment. I am not receiving any further submissions. The extent of the scheme is known only to me, to my junior Ministers and Departmental officials. It will be going to the Government for approval shortly.

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It is being said in Kerry that certain parts of the country have been brought into the severely handicapped areas. Apparently the review has been released.

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There has not been any such release.

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Will the Minister tell the House when the review will be issued?

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I have not got the date.

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Could the Minister make a guess — 12 months, 18 months?

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I would not care to make a guess. I do not have even an approximate idea.

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Would I be right in saying 18 months?

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It would be approximately that time.

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John O'Leary Mr. J. O'Leary Fianna Fáil

Can the Minister indicate whether the proposed areas will all be townlands.

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I said the review involved an examination on a townland rather than a district electoral division basis.

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When was the last time traditional areas were included in the severely handicapped areas? Is it true that other countries in the EEC have completed their reviews and that they are known already?

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Reviews are carried out periodically. In the past six months three countries have issued schemes — Italy, Holland and Britain.

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And Northern Ireland.

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Britain and Northern Ireland.

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So we are behind Northern Ireland?

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The schemes of those other countries were well advanced.

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(Limerick West): The Minister has said the scheme will be made known shortly. Can he tell us when the new areas are likely to be submitted to the Commission in Brussels?

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That depends on a decision by the Government on the review.

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All members states are sending in submissions. Some states have already made their submissions but our review has not been cleared by the Government. Is the Minister aware that in our case it will be difficult to get extensions because we are not using the scheme to the maximum?

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I am fully aware of the situation. I have told Deputies that the current review was carried out based on townlands, and there are 10,000 townlands to be considered. Previously the review was based on district electoral divisions which were far less clumsy and involved far less work. I have also said that only three of the ten member states have submitted revised schemes and that seven have not. We hope to have this scheme ready in the present year.

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Can the Minister give an indication of whether he will include all existing areas in the arrangement?

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I would hope that the total acreage involved will be much greater.

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Is the Minister sorry he did not make an application in advance of the other countries? Will he consider including large areas of Cavan and Monaghan as being severely handicapped?

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We have the same story in almost every county in Ireland, including my own.

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This is very important. The Minister has taken four questions together and, based on what he has told us, it is now too late to make submissions to local bodies. From a submission by Deputy Connaughton last autumn and statements he has been making in the west, it seems that a submission was to be made to Brussels last autumn and that the review would be completed by last spring. When can we positively expect the review?

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The Deputy must have misunderstood the statements of the Minister of State. The Government have not even considered the scheme.

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In view of the fact that a number of schemes of assistance for farmers generally have been curtailed or abolished and in view of the threat of the super-levy, would the Minister not consider having the entire country declared a disadvantaged area?

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This is a matter for the Government.

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It is a matter for the Minister for Agriculture first.

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I do not think the country as a whole would stand a chance. I got no answer.

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Thomas J. Fitzpatrick An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

That is not the Chair's fault.

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I am trying to get the maximum information. Can the Minister tell the House whether the submission has been made to Brussels?

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I said it had not been made.

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Why then did the Minister of State tell us last autumn that the submission would be made shortly? It is not made, submissions are closed and the Minister's colleague, the Minister of State, said last autumn that it was being made.

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Maybe the Deputy mistook what the Minister of State said, but there has been no submission.

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