I should like to avoid stating an individual case. I shall base my supplementary question on the question that has been asked. If 1,252 persons have been removed from the live register, as the Minister has told the House, and 650 have gone to jobs, we are anxious to know what happened to the balance, the difference between 1,252 and 650. How many have actually left the country? Can the Minister tell the House whether the officers in charge of these interviews make inquiries as to the residence of the persons so that we can calculate the emigration effect of the Jobsearch programme?

It would have very little effect.

Can we calculate it?

Deputy Stagg referred to a case with which he said I am familiar. I am aware of one case where a person went on the Jobsearch programme and then got a job in London. The same person told me that it was a great inconvenience to come on the programme and he felt he was too highly qualified for that kind of programme. After two weeks he phoned me to say that it was not such a bad idea after all because he found that there were people there with high qualifications who had never considered other things they might have approached. They had some specialised training and had not considered management. The tutors advised them and they found a niche for themselves in that area.

Another interesting thing that this gentleman told me was there were two people on his right at the programme who were working and drawing benefit all the time. It was an education to him because he did not really think that this went on. There was another person on his left who had been eight years on unemployment and this was the first two weeks in that time that he had not been working. I shall not mention the area in which he was working, although it was told to me. This was the first two weeks in eight years that he had been so inconvenienced that he could not work.

So the Minister is admitting that the scheme is not to give work but to weed out people from the live register?

Could I dissuade Deputies from attempting to debate these matters today? Again I must advert to the fact that we have made such little progress. We are still on Question No. 3. Is this good enough?

We have dealt with six questions.

May I come back to my supplementary question which was not answered? I am sure you will agree, Sir, that I am making an effort to avoid references to individual cases. That is advice that the Minister might well take. If 1,252 people have gone off the register and 650 have been sent to jobs, of the remaining 602 people, the Minister's phrase, in answer to a previous supplementary, was that they do not turn up for a few weeks and the Minister then proceeded to give me a list of individual cases. I asked a simple question. Are procedures being taken in the offices to try to ascertain what happened to the other 602 people and will we be able to know the number of them that have emigrated? That is the question which the House would like answered and it has nothing to do with individual cases.

I explained that as far as possible. We do not have an ocean of officers. On other occasions the Deputy would challenge me and say that I was pursuing people. We do surveys on these matters but it would be impossible to give the Deputy an answer because there are 246,000 people on the unemployment register and 80,000 people on disability benefit. Some people will move from the unemployment register on to disability benefit and vice versa. That is an indirect effect. I have tried to explain that on a number of occasions.

I want clarification——

We will only know the long term effect of that after some time because some of those people do not come back on to the register at all.

Will the Minister——

A final supplementary.

Will the Minister clarify a point. Are the 1,252 who have left the register in addition to the 650 who got jobs or are they included in that 1,252?

The analysis includes the 650. That is the total who are known to have left the register at this stage apart from the 4,000 who have gone on Manpower schemes and so on.

In other words, only 602 left the register and did not get a job?

We do not know what they did. I have already explained that. I told the Deputy that 187 had been struck off.

The Minister gave five or six separate figures. The second figure was that 650 had found jobs. Then he said that 1,252 had left the register. Are they separate figures or does the 1,252 include the 650 who found jobs?

I said yes. I will say it again if the Deputy likes.

The problem is that these statistics do not tally and it is difficult for the Minister to indicate what the figures include. Will the Minister agree that there is nothing new in this, that the numbers who have got jobs are more or less the same as those who would get jobs in any case? The numbers who emigrate are approximately twice the number who get jobs. Will the Minister agree that the only new factor in this is the Jobsearch course? Will the Minister agree that on these Jobsearch courses participants spend two weeks on how to write a CV and the following two weeks searching for jobs and that the whole operation is farcical and humiliating for both participants and AnCO personnel? Will the Minister agree that that is what happens on the four weeks Jobsearch courses?

The Deputy can look at the figures afterwards and study what they mean. There are 4,000 on the long term register of unemployed who were offered opportunities on social employment schemes and other manpower schemes who have accepted them to date. Many more will presumably accept these places and they have been reserved for them. We will not have full information on the numbers who have left the register until later. That figure will only emerge after a period. Some people may leave the register for a short time and come back. I have given the Deputies the number who have been disallowed to date. Obviously more will be disallowed when they go through the process but the process of disallowance is lengthy as it ensures that individuals have a full right to be heard and to make their case and if their case is reasonable they are given other opportunities and they are not struck off.

Question No. 4 please.

Please let us get on to another question. Question No. 4 please.