Northern Ireland justice and Anglo-Irish talks
The Minister grouped questions on Northern Ireland and described ongoing conference discussions about justice reforms, including Diplock Courts. He said proposals remained open, consultations continued at several levels, and the process would proceed despite differences.
asked the Minister for Foreign Affairs if he will make a statement regarding the present and prevailing circumstances concerning Ireland's accession to the European Convention on Terrorism.
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asked the Minister for Foreign Affairs his views on whether there is a link between changes in the administration of justice and the Diplock Courts in the North and the implementation of the Extradition Act under the Anglo-Irish Agreement; and if so, the progress, if any, the Government are making on the matter.
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asked the Minister for Foreign Affairs if he will make a statement in relation to the progress or otherwise in securing tangible and perceptible improvements in the administration of justice in Northern Ireland; and if he will make a statement on the matter.
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asked the Minister for Foreign Affairs if at the last meeting of the Anglo-Irish Conference he raised matters referred to in Article 8 of the Anglo-Irish agreement and Article 7 of the joint communiqué; and if he will make a statement on the matter.
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A Cheann Comhairle, I propose to take Questions Nos. 9, 10, 13, 16, 23 and Priority Question No. 40 together.
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I agree that the practice of taking Priority Questions with oral questions is growing.
As co-chairmen of the Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference, the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland and I jointly chaired a meeting of the conference on 21 October last at which, among other issues, the matters referred to by the Deputies were discussed. At the conclusion of the conference a joint statement was issued, the relevant passage of which states:
The conference discussed reports from the groups of officials considering measures to enhance public confidence in the administration of justice and policy aspects of extradition. It was agreed that the two sides should remain in close contact on these issues.
Discussions are, therefore, still ongoing and, in accordance with normal practice, it would not be appropriate for me to go into the substance of the issue at this stage.
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I want to ask the Minister, more specifically in answer to my first question, if the proposal to have three judges instead of one in the Diplock Courts in Northern Ireland has been formally and finally rejected by the British Government at this stage?
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There is no question of rejecting or accepting matters in an ongoing process. When there is not definite agreement between both sides on any issue it becomes part of that process. The thinking behind the establishment of the Anglo-Irish Conference was that it would be such a process and if there was not agreement on particular issues, they would remain open for discussion. There will be further discussion on the Diplock Courts and many other issues concerning the proper administration of justice in Northern Ireland with which we are concerned.
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I am asking the Minister if the specific measure of three judge courts has been turned down or if it is still on the table.
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Every aspect of administration of justice, including that referred to by the Deputy, is still open to further discussion in the process to which I referred.
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I should like to ask the Minister if the Government have put forward alternative proposals for changes in the administration of justice and the Diplock Courts, as suggested by the Northern Secretary, Mr. Tom King recently.
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A number of options and aspects concerning the administration of justice were discussed in an open and constructive way between Mr. King and myself and between the respective officials.
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Will the Minister agree that under Article 7 of the agreement, and the communique, a whole range of issues are involved here? Under Article 2(b) of the agreement both Governments are obliged in the interest of promoting peace and stability to make determined efforts through the conference to resolve any differences. Will the Minister agree that differences exist and that determination must be applied to have them resolved urgently? Will the Minister consider calling a special meeting of the conference, as is his right?
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We have just had a meeting and I should like to assure the House that we are in constant touch on this matter. I am confident that Anglo-Irish relations will continue on an even keel to the mutual benefit of the two communities in Northern Ireland and the communities in Great Britain and here.
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I am very sensitive about the time scale involved and I do not wish to create unnecessary difficulties for the Minister or the Government. Will the Minister agree that at the moment there are differences between the two Governments that must be resolved immediately and that that may warrant the calling of a special meeting of the conference, a move I would recommend to the Minister?
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I should like to assure the Deputy and the House that all options that can further enhance Anglo-Irish relations, and relations between the two communities in Northern Ireland, will be followed up by me. Consultations, under that overall objective, will continue and I can assure the Deputy of that.
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The Minister in the course of his reply said that discussions were ongoing and I should like to know at what level those discussions are taking place. Are they at civil servant or ambassador level? Does the Minister envisage another or a series of ministerial meetings taking place before 1 December? Is there any procedure under which the House could be consulted either by way of statements or debate before 1 December so that we may be able to assist the Government in trying to resolve the serious difficulties that appear to be emerging? Will the Minister say if the Taoiseach has made direct contact with the British Prime Minister in relation to this?
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Obviously, I will not go into the detail the Deputy is seeking but I should like to assure him that every avenue is being explored at all levels. I had a meeting in London a few days before the Anglo-Irish Conference. I maintain my contacts and my staff maintain theirs. We are seeking to ensure that above all else the process that has been established will continue and that there will be no diminution in Anglo-Irish relations. At the same time, we want to ensure that what is required in regard to reforms of the administration of justice as far as the Nationalist community are concerned is followed up in a vigorous and meaningful way through the conference and by the British Government.