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Dáil
‹ Ceisteanna — Questions. Oral Answers. - Females in Defence Forces.

Women in Army apprentice schools

Summary

The Minister cited a lack of suitable accommodation and competing resource demands as the reason women had not been admitted to the Army and Air Corps apprentice schools. Mac Giolla argued that existing accommodation was reserved for men and called the exclusion discriminatory; the Minister maintained that female accommodation was unavailable.

asked the Minister for Defence the reason women are excluded from the Army Apprentice School; if his attention has been drawn to the criticism of this practice recently expressed by the Chief Executive of the Employment Equality Agency; if it is intended to open the Army Apprentice School to women; and if he will make a statement on the matter.

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Apprentices in the Permanent Defence Force are required to live in barracks and due to lack of suitable accommodation it has not been found possible to date to provide for an intake of female apprentices. The question of the provision of such accommodation continues to be considered in the context of competing demands on scarce resources. A recent letter from the Employment Equality Agency in relation to this matter is currently under consideration by the Department and the Minister.

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That reply is extraordinary. Is the Minister aware that I have previously asked questions here about the recruitment of women in the Army and the fact that it has ceased completely in the past few years? In those cases the reply was that women could be recruited only to non-combat positions and reference was made to lack of accommodation. Would the Minister now agree that the apprentice school is totally a non-combat area quite suitable for the recruitment of women and that there appears to be discrimination against women in the refusal to allow women into the apprentice school? I am sure the Minister is aware that the facilities which would be available to women for training in engineering and various other skills are being denied to them at present by this discrimination.

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This question applies to apprentices in the Permanent Defence Force. The Minister would like to point out that it has not been found possible to date to provide suitable accommodation for female apprentices in the Army Apprentice School in Naas or in the Air Corps Apprentice School in Baldonnell. At this time the question of provision of accommodation continues to be considered in the context of competing demands on scarce resources. In relation to female apprentices, it has not been possible to date to provide suitable accommodation for them in the apprentice schools.

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I put to the Minister that there is accommodation there for males at present. Why must that be reserved for males? Why not all females and make accommodation available elsewhere for males? That is not a suitable answer. Accommodation is available. It is simply that the Minister decides it is to be available only for males.

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Seán Treacy An Ceann Comhairle Independent

This is leading to argument.

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If the accommodation is available for males why is it not available for females?

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Accommodation for females is not available in the apprentice schools.

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They do not want them.

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