There is a lot of dissatisfaction and annoyance at this proposal. Is the Minister aware that most of these men have served since 1969 when there were no regular troops, particularly in Border posts? It is a disgraceful way to treat men who have given loyal service because many of them are now at an age when they will be unable to perform normal routine duties undertaken by regular recruits. It is Hobson's choice, either join the Permanent Defence Force or leave. Will the Minister consider allowing the men at present serving to finish their present term of office as an alternative?

(Limerick West): That matter was considered but was not found feasible. The decision was also based on legal and technical reasons. Personnel who opt not to join the Permanent Defence Force and who are being released from full-time service will be paid a gratuity calculated at the rate of 30 days' pay per year of service subject to a maximum of one year's pay. An example of the average amount of a gratuity is as follows: a captain will receive about £12,160, a sergeant will receive £8,520 and a private will get about £7,309. The amounts payable may be higher or lower, depending on the length of service.

A final question, Deputy Bell.

This is a bad idea because the Minister is taking men out of full-time service with the Permanent Defence Force which means they will be in receipt of unemployment benefit. They will have a limited, small gratuity and pension and, therefore, it will cost the State as much to keep them on the dole as it would to have them serving with the Defence Forces.

We must proceed by way of questions.

(Limerick West): I would prefer to give them a choice and I am sure the Deputy agrees.