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Dáil

Order of Business.

It is proposed to take Nos. 12 and 2. It is also proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that: the proceedings on the Report and Final Stages of No. 12 if not previously concluded, shall be brought to a conclusion at 2.15 p.m. by one question which shall be put from the Chair and which shall, in relation to amendments, include only amendments set down or accepted by the Minister for the Environment. It is also proposed that all Stages of No. 2, if not previously concluded, shall be brought to a conclusion at 5 p.m. by one question which shall be put from the Chair and which shall, in relation to amendments, include only amendments set down or accepted by the Minister for the Marine. The Dáil shall meet tomorrow at 10.30 a.m. and shall adjourn not later than 4 p.m.

In respect of tomorrow's business, which shall be No. 6 — Votes 30 and 31 — the following arrangements shall apply: (i) the questions necessary to bring the proceedings on Votes 30 and 31 to a conclusion shall be put not later than 1.30 p.m. and 4 p.m. respectively; (ii) the speech of the Minister and of the main spokespersons for the Fine Gael Party and the Labour Party shall not exceed 20 minutes in each case, and the speech of each other Member called on shall not exceed ten minutes; (iii) a Minister of State may be called on a second time to make a speech in reply; (iv) a Minister or Minister of State shall be called upon not later than 1.20 p.m. and 3.50 p.m. respectively to make a speech in reply which shall not exceed ten minutes; (v) in the five minutes preceeding such reply any Member may request the Minister to clarify specific issues during the course of his reply, and (vi) any division demanded shall be postponed until 6.30 p.m. on Wednesday, 27 May 1992.

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Seán Treacy An Ceann Comhairle Independent

Are the proposals for dealing with No. 12 agreed? Agreed. Are the proposals for dealing with No. 2 agreed? Agreed. Is the proposal for dealing with tomorrow's sitting agreed? Agreed. Finally, are the proposals for dealing with No. 6, that is Votes 30 and 31, agreed? Agreed.

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John Bruton Mr. J. Bruton Fine Gael

On that point, I would ask the Taoiseach to have a look at the possibility, in respect of item (v) which is the five minutes at the end for dialogue about Estimates, of increasing that time in due course to allow a somewhat longer time for a committee style discussion of the Estimates? Five minutes is welcome but it is very short. In regard to the events at Dublin Airport last evening, will the Taoiseach indicate a time frame for the promised legislation concerning the regulation of rights to information in view of the need to have clarity in fairness to all concerned and, particularly, to the Garda Síochána whose resources are scarce, as to what is and is not permissible in publications published within the State and imported into the State?

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Seán Treacy An Ceann Comhairle Independent

Has legislation been promised in this area?

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Deputies

Yes.

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John Bruton Mr. J. Bruton Fine Gael

I asked a question. Will the Taoiseach answer it?

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Seán Treacy An Ceann Comhairle Independent

I have asked if legislation has been promised. Indeed, it has, and the Taoiseach will be afforded the opportunity to reply.

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All the matters relating to the question raised by Deputy Bruton have consistently been responded to by me on the basis that those matters will be all attended to before the end of this year.

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In the meantime we have to stop reading the newspapers.

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In relation to legislation that has been promised and discussed in this House, is the Taoiseach aware that he gave a written assurance to my colleague, Deputy Howlin, that the consensus in relation to travel and information would not be bridged by the Government between now and the introduction in the autumn of the Government's own Bill, or comprehensive set of measures, to deal with this matter? Accordingly, did any member of the Government, including the Attorney General, direct or instruct the Garda to act in Dublin Airport last night in the manner in which they did?

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I had no more knowledge of what took place than any of the Members of this House until I heard it——

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You should have.

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No, I should not have. I do not interpret the law in this country. Let us leave it at that.

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Surely this morning of all mornings the Taoiseach should be in a position to make a statement in this House about the effective banning of an international newspaper. Deputies are being denied the right to read this newspaper.

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That is an outrageous suggestion.

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Perhaps the Taoiseach, as the guardian of the rights of the Members of this House, would take steps to ensure that we have available to us here today copies of The Guardian newspaper. It is normally in the Library. We are in the ridiculous situation where Members of this House are not allowed to read an international newspaper. We are living in an infantile theocracy; we are not living in a democracy at all.

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Seán Treacy An Ceann Comhairle Independent

The Deputy has made his point quite eloquently——

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Surely the Taoiseach can make a statement here about the right of people to read newspapers.

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Seán Treacy An Ceann Comhairle Independent

I am calling Deputy John Bruton, and I want to call Deputy Quinn also.

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John Bruton Mr. J. Bruton Fine Gael

Would the Taoiseach not agree that it is in the interests of all concerned that people know what the law is in regard to a matter of this kind, and that to say that this will be dealt with at the end of the year leaves us in a situation where nobody knows for sure what the law is now and in the meantime the law has to be enforced in a period of uncertainty? Could the Taoiseach agree to issue some guidelines as to what is the legal position now so that all concerned will know what it is?

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He should change the law now.

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It is a matter for the Deputy to put down a question if he wants to get any more details.

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Paul Connaughton Mr. Connaughton Fine Gael

You have been asked a question; answer it.

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The Deputies can put down all the questions they like.

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A Deputy

The Taoiseach does not know. The Taoiseach is confused.

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Seán Treacy An Ceann Comhairle Independent

I am calling Deputy Quinn. I trust it is on a separate matter. The matters referred to earlier are such that they can be followed up in this House in the normal way.

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In respect of promised legislation, the Taoiseach wrote to my colleague, Deputy Howlin, last week and gave an undertaking that no action would be taken. The Taoiseach separately asked the nation to trust him in relation to these matters. That trust was broken last night. It was broken by that Government.

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It was not.

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You are obliged now to answer first in this House and then outside.

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Seán Treacy An Ceann Comhairle Independent

That matter, as I said earlier, can be pursued in the normal way in this House. We cannot debate the matter this morning.

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We have a written undertaking from the Taoiseach that the consensus would be maintained and it was broken last night with the clear knowledge of the Government.

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I want to take the opportunity of rejecting out of hand any such suggestions or allegations by Deputy Quinn. The matter that he is speaking about this morning was dealt with by a company in their own way, following their own policy and their own decisions, and I would like to leave it at that.

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That is some trust.

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Toddy O'Sullivan Mr. T. O'Sullivan Labour Party

In the absence of the Minister for Social Welfare whom we see more often in the company of his four-legged friends than that of his Government colleagues——

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Withdraw that remark.

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Seán Treacy An Ceann Comhairle Independent

Let us proceed without personalising the matter or being derogatory.

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Toddy O'Sullivan Mr. T. O'Sullivan Labour Party

Could I ask the Taoiseach if he will make a statement to allay the fears of social welfare recipients who have been threatened with non-payment by the Minister for Social Welfare.

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Seán Treacy An Ceann Comhairle Independent

I am proceeding to item No. 12.

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Toddy O'Sullivan Mr. T. O'Sullivan Labour Party

It was reported this morning.

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Seán Treacy An Ceann Comhairle Independent

I want to get on to the Order of Business. Let us be sure of one thing, that the matters that are to be raised here are suitable to the Order of Business.

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This matter was raised briefly in the House yesterday. It is an urgent matter on which the Minister should make a statement. I would ask the Taoiseach to make time for it in view of the fact that yesterday, in two different cases, charges of murder were dismissed against a person in Cork, and a sexual abuse case——

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Seán Treacy An Ceann Comhairle Independent

Deputy Shatter, the House dealt with that matter yesterday.

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I am aware of that fact, but the Minister was not here yesterday.

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Seán Treacy An Ceann Comhairle Independent

I am not responsible for the attendance of Ministers. I will not permit a re-hash of this. The matter to which the Deputy refers was discussed in this House yesterday.

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The criminal justice system in Cork is in tatters because of the incompetence and inactivity of that Minister and there will be further charges dismissed today as the crime rate rises.

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You know what happened to you the last time you shook your finger at me.

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You have done nothing about——

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Did Terry tell you to say that?

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Further charges will be dismissed. People charged with murder, sexual abuse, burglaries, etc., will all be released.

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Seán Treacy An Ceann Comhairle Independent

I am calling on Deputy Connaughton but he is ignoring the Chair. That is fair enough. I call Deputy Fennell.

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Keep your attention over here and do not look up to the Gallery looking for——

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Seán Treacy An Ceann Comhairle Independent

Deputy Shatter has been responsible for creating some disorder here. He ought to restrain himself.

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The Minister is not doing his job.

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In view of the action of the Garda last night, is the Taoiseach going to remove the British telephone books from the exchanges because they are now giving information about clinics? Could I further ask the Taoiseach——

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Seán Treacy An Ceann Comhairle Independent

Deputy Connaughton, I called you earlier and you ignored me.

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Paul Connaughton Mr. Connaughton Fine Gael

I could not hear you.

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The Government are being run by the Ayatollah and they do not know it.

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Paul Connaughton Mr. Connaughton Fine Gael

May I ask the Taoiseach if he will comment on the amazing outburst of the Minister for Social Welfare yesterday——

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Seán Treacy An Ceann Comhairle Independent

Not now, Deputy.

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Paul Connaughton Mr. Connaughton Fine Gael

Is the Taoiseach aware that he has frightened every person in the country? Is that Government policy, or was Deputy McCreevy talking off the top of his head? We are entitled to an answer.

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The conscience of the Government.

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The Tuam Herald.

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May I ask the Taoiseach, in respect of promised legislation to reorganise the Eastern Health Board, if he is aware that members of the Protestant faith continue to express concern about the erosion of their ethos in the Adelaide Hospital and the continuing threat to that hospital——

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Seán Treacy An Ceann Comhairle Independent

I thought the Deputy had something relevant to raise.

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Will he indicate if the legislation will provide——

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Seán Treacy An Ceann Comhairle Independent

Please, Deputy Bruton, desist.

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It is relevant to that legislation.

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May I sincerely ask the Minister for Justice, rather than laugh at the people who have made valid points in relation to the position in Cork, if he will do something about the matter?

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Seán Treacy An Ceann Comhairle Independent

I am proceeding to the Order of Business proper. Item No. 12, the Control of Dogs (Amendment) Bill.

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He is the Minister for Justice and he should do something about it rather than laugh at people here who have made valid points.

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