Turkey accession negotiations
Kenny asks about a constitutional referendum and monitoring Turkey’s compliance with EU conditions; the Taoiseach says Turkey will be monitored and negotiations remain subject to the agreed conditions.
We welcome the delegation from the Slovak Republic.
Irrespective of what happens elsewhere, how soon does the Taoiseach think there could be a referendum on the constitution in this country? Last December, EU Foreign Ministers agreed to freeze accession negotiations with Turkey in eight of the 35 legislative areas. These areas included free movement of goods, rights of establishment and freedom to provide financial services and so on. Did the Taoiseach discuss with his counterparts when these negotiations might restart? What are the procedures in place to monitor Turkey's compliance with EU demands? Are concerns being expressed about Turkish relations with the Kurdish people? Concerns have been expressed about the Kurdish people, Sunnis and Shias further east, in Iraq and Iran.
A case was raised in the national media a few days ago of a young Zambian girl who was brought into this country under a false passport and was repeatedly raped by a Zambian national, who has since been jailed. At the last European Council meeting, the question of migration was discussed. This was also raised at the EPP meetings that I attended on illegal immigration and migration to Europe. I understand Ireland is one of the last countries in which human trafficking is not a crime. It would appear from anecdotal evidence that there has been a significant amount of human trafficking in Ireland, which is something the Government should seriously examine. If human trafficking is not a specific crime in Ireland, then we should make it such. It is an appalling abuse of human rights and human dignity. Was this issue raised in discussions with the Taoiseach? Does he have a concern about it? Has the Government any intention of introducing a Bill to make the trafficking of human beings a very serious offence? It would send out a clear signal that such human degradation would not be tolerated any more.
Comment on this
We do not have legislation on human trafficking, but the heads of a Bill have already been approved and we will bring it before the House shortly.
The situation in Turkey was discussed and we will debate it during the statements on the European Council. There will be close monitoring of what was agreed in the Foreign Affairs Council in December. The Foreign Affairs Ministers set down in the GAERC precisely how they want to see this matter brought forward. Turkey will be monitored for some considerable time to see if it complies with the conditions for continuing negotiations.
The position on the constitution has developed a strong momentum. I thought last year it would be derailed, but Angela Merkel has made it a key issue, as Deputy Kenny will be aware from attending meetings with his group. A meeting took place in Madrid a few weeks ago which was attended by representatives of 18 or 19 countries. The pendulum has swung back and people are not prepared to leave this go. The stated position of 19 or 20 countries is that the constitution as it stands should be the constitution that is passed. Realistically, that is probably impossible for the Netherlands and France and there will have to be some accommodation of their positions and of other considerations. I am glad to see the Germans have taken the same view as ourselves and have opened negotiation sessions. I think the Berlin declaration will be about the constitution.
There are some important issues, especially the consideration of our friends in the UK. They would like to see the charter of fundamental rights taken out of the constitution. Whatever else happens, I do not want to see that. I worked long and hard to make sure it was put into the constitution. Taking it out would create many difficulties as it would be very difficult to convince people to accept a constitution that has not got the charter in it. Therefore, the negotiations should stay as close as possible to the original negotiations. We must obviously facilitate some of the difficulties and we must be reasonable. We can slim down the document by taking out some sections without losing the substantive compromises and balances which were built in not only during the Irish Presidency — that is not the issue — but also in the convention in the years preceding the Italian and Irish Presidencies.
The date on which this can realistically come about is becoming clearer. I think it can be done by 2008. We could get into a position whereby changes could be made to allow for parliamentary ratification practically everywhere other than Ireland, which would have a constitutional referendum. That is not a position I would like Ireland to be in, but I fear that such movements could happen. That will be an ongoing difficulty for this country, which we should address some day, but it cannot be addressed now. The relevant date is 2008, after the French Presidency. There will be a great deal of momentum if Germany's tactic works and its negotiating position, which is a good one, is successful. If it transpires that 18 or 19 countries have ratified the proposed constitution, four, five or six of the remaining countries will have to ratify it in their Parliaments within a tight period of time. That will create its own problems, but that is the way I think things will pan out.