We use Google Analytics to see which pages are read and how the site is used, so we know what to improve. This only runs if you accept. See our privacy notice for details.

Dáil
‹ Leaders’ Questions.

Climate policy and electricity transmission

Summary

Sargent questions the Government’s response to rising emissions and asks about energy-system governance. The Taoiseach says the climate White Paper is forthcoming and maintains that the transmission operator is legally independent of the ESB.

I listened to the questions asked by Deputy Joe Higgins yesterday and I am glad my colleague in the Technical Group raised the issue of climate change. Last Monday we heard from the Institute of European Affairs about the challenges being faced. Throughout Europe people are talking about how we will reduce emissions to 20% below 1990 levels. In this country there has been a 7% growth in transport per annum instead of a reduction. We are faced with trying to cut our greenhouse gas emissions by a third.

The Taoiseach appears to be making change hard for himself and I wonder if that is necessary. Deloitte & Touche recommended that the transmission grid should be separated from the country's generation capacity. The ESB, therefore, would not be in charge of the grid any more but would be a separate concern. The Kish Bank offshore project was given a support mechanism for 2003 but was left in the hands of the ESB and there is no movement on that. Does the Taoiseach not get the message that the ESB is dragging its heels? The Government must give a direction as to how things must proceed. At the same time, Irish companies such as Airtricity and OpenHydro are throwing their hands up in despair and heading to places such as Scotland, Texas or China to invest and make enough electricity to keep Ireland going.

The Taoiseach is not giving direction to the ESB. Why has the interconnector been delayed for four years? There is no facility for small producers in the domestic sector to sell to the grid, even though that is possible in other developed countries such as Australia, America and European states. Will the Taoiseach separate the grid from the generation sector? Will he direct the ESB to install smart metering in every home within five years? It could save a considerable amount on household electricity bills as well as improve the country's ability to deal with climate change. Why has there been a delay with the interconnector, which would help in this regard? A four year delay is inexplicable. Finally, will the Taoiseach give a direction to the ESB that it is time to go green and that it must ensure we are self reliant in renewable energy? The way it is going at present is wrong.

Comment on this

As I said yesterday, all these issues will be dealt with in the White Paper. We published a Green Paper and there has been a good, wide consultation process. The White Paper will be published shortly. We have engaged with the wider market on all the issues mentioned by the Deputy. Obviously, we have had discussions with Airtricity, the ESB and others. They have a view and input on this issue. It is not up to us to direct them. We must make the policy decisions and we will do that.

There is a Cabinet committee on this issue and a large number of Ministers have been involved in it. They worked on the preparation of the Green Paper and are working on the White Paper, which will be brought forward by the Minister, Deputy Noel Dempsey. The White Paper, as well as the new national climate change strategy, will be brought forward before Easter. It is not fair to state the interconnector has been delayed for four years. Work on the interconnector is ongoing. We cannot move more quickly on it. I was with the Minister when he outlined that to the press conference.

We have increased wind energy in the system by 600% in a three year period. The Deputy knows I have supported that. EirGrid is the independent transmission system operator; it is independent of the ESB.

Comment on this

It is not.

Comment on this

The Deputy disagrees but it is.

Comment on this

It is owned by the ESB.

Comment on this

It is an independent transmission system operator. It is independent in law and independent of the ESB. It makes its decisions independently. We do not direct it.

There was another meeting yesterday and we hope to wrap this process up shortly and put both documents I mentioned into the public domain.

Comment on this