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NAMA burden on taxpayers

Summary

Eamon Gilmore warns that NAMA will burden taxpayers for decades; the Taoiseach says crystallising banking losses is necessary to preserve international funding and revive lending. His request for a ministerial report on a Dublin crash is procedural.

I seek the Ceann Comhairle's indulgence before I ask my Leaders' question. I understand there has been a bad crash on O'Connell Street, Dublin, between a Luas tram and a bus. I wonder if the Minister for Transport might take an opportunity during the afternoon to report to the House on it and perhaps to exchange views with transport spokespersons.

The Taoiseach is asking the people to bear a very heavy load. The legislation the Government will bring before the House will mortgage the future of taxpayers for decades to come. He is asking people to consider increases in taxation and cuts in pay. People are already losing jobs and businesses. It is a very difficult time. While the Taoiseach is asking people to do that, we are being informed on a weekly and daily basis of the extent of the waste of taxpayers' money which his Government has presided over for the past number of years.

Last week the report of the Comptroller and Auditor General on FÁS was issued. FÁS was going to hold a raffle. It bought a car for the raffle. The raffle was never held and the car disappeared. It ordered a television advertisement for €600,000 which was never screened. In fairness to the board of FÁS, its members have done the decent thing and offered their resignations. However, the Minister, Deputy Cullen, who was responsible for expenditure 100 times that of the television advertisement and spent some €60 million buying an electronic voting system that was never used, has not resigned and came out at the weekend to justify it.

On top of that, we learn of the splurging and indulgence of ministerial expenses over the period of that Government. I acknowledge the Ceann Comhairle's letter of apology he issued today, but it suggests that this was by no means the exception and appears to be the norm.

I saw the Taoiseach giving a number of newspaper and television interviews during the summer recess and I want to put a question to him this afternoon. Does he accept that the Government he served in for 12 years, during which he was responsible for the Government's finances for four years and which he now leads was responsible for a huge waste of taxpayers' money? Will he apologise to the Irish people for that waste of taxpayers' money?

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It is not a question of seeking to mortgage the future of taxpayers. We are seeking to crystallise the losses that have to be transparently shown now in order to ensure that international finance will continue to fund our banking system and return it to a viable future for our country. That is what we are seeking to do. The Bill is again being portrayed as an attempt to mortgage futures. It is about trying to make sure that we deal with the present situation to avoid a continuing contraction in the economy by means of improving lending into it. We are doing it by crystallising losses for banks and those who hold those loans so we can present bonds to obtain money to get it into the economy where is it badly needed for Irish businesses.

Another point raised by Deputy Gilmore concerned my time as Minister for Finance. I stand over the budgets I brought into this House, which were regarded by people in Deputy Gilmore's party and the other Opposition party as being mean and not sufficient. The critique at the time was that the Government was not doing enough to provide further expenditure programmes in a whole range of areas. I brought forward surpluses on those occasions——

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The Taoiseach is rewriting history.

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——and continued to reduce debt. These are the recorded facts.

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