It is proposed to take No. 11, motion re leave to introduce Supplementary Estimates - Votes 25, 37 and 39; No. 12, motion re referral of Supplementary Estimates - Votes 25, 37 and 39 - to select sub-committee; No. 17, statements on the report of the expert group on the judgment in the A, B and C v. Ireland case, to adjourn after the opening statements if not previously concluded; and No. 18, Health Insurance (Amendment) Bill 2012 - Order for Report, Report and Final Stages.

It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that: the Dáil shall sit later than 9 p.m. and shall adjourn not later than 10 p.m.; matters may not be raised under the provisions of Standing Order 32, there shall be no Oral Questions taken on Wednesday, 5 or Thursday, 6 December and there shall be no Topical Issues taken on Wednesday, 5 December; No. 11 and, subject to the agreement of No. 11, No. 12 shall be decided without debate and any divisions demanded thereon shall be taken forthwith; the following arrangements shall apply in relation to No. 17: the opening statements of a Minister or Minister of State and of the main spokespersons for Fianna Fáil, Sinn Féin and the Technical Group, who shall be called upon in that order and who may share their time, shall not exceed 20 minutes in each case; the statement of each other Member called upon shall not exceed 15 minutes, and such Members may share their time; and a Minister or Minister of State shall be called upon to make a statement in reply which shall not exceed ten minutes; the Report and Final Stages of No. 18 shall be taken today and the proceedings thereon shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at 10 p.m. by one question which shall be put from the Chair and which shall, in relation to amendments, include only those set down or accepted by the Minister for Health; and Private Members’ business shall be No. 79, motion re disability funding and services, which shall also take place immediately after the Order of Business tomorrow and which shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion after 90 minutes on that day.

There are six proposals to be put to the House. Is the proposal that the Dáil shall sit later than 9 p.m. and shall adjourn not later than 10 p.m. agreed to? Agreed. Is the proposal for dealing with the business of the Dáil tomorrow and Thursday agreed to? Agreed. Is the proposal for dealing with No. 11, motion re leave to introduce Supplementary Estimates - Votes 25, 37 and 39, and No. 12, motion re referral of Supplementary Estimates - Votes 25, 37 and 39 - to select sub-committee agreed to?

We oppose these motions on the basis that they relate to three Supplementary Estimates, one of €685 million for the Department of Social Protection, another of €360 million for the Health Service Executive, and a third of €1 million for the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government. We have serious issues with the Supplementary Estimate for the HSE. Last year, a fraudulent Estimate was introduced in the House which bore no relation to reality and has led to extraordinary difficulties within the health service. Given the fundamentally flawed nature of last year's Health Service Executive Estimate, we need a plenary debate on this Supplementary Estimate.

There have been savage cutbacks in home help hours in recent months because of the absence of a Supplementary Estimate coming through and because of the absence of a proper HSE Estimate in the beginning. People with disabilities were hit very hard as a result of the flawed nature of the Estimate. Personal assistants were taken from people who wanted to live independent lives, and many people had access to hospital and medical facilities delayed. During the week, I met nurses at the opening of the Irish Nurses and Midwives Organisation centre in Cork. They told me they cannot advocate or articulate on behalf of patients who are at risk because of the HSE Estimate and the failure to provide adequate funding. They are gagged.

There is a request for a Supplementary Estimate of €360 million. Given the flawed nature of the Estimate given to the House last November, there is a need for a plenary discussion before the Estimate is referred to the sub-committee.

On 21 November, during the Order of Business, I asked the Taoiseach if he intended to introduce a Supplementary Estimate for the Department of Health and he refused to tell me; he refused to answer and dodged the question. Later on the same day, the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform confirmed there would be a Supplementary Estimate for the Department of Health. That shows the difference in attitude in the Government parties towards the Minister for Health. The Taoiseach covers up while the Labour Party Minister comes clean. I do not know why the Taoiseach did not tell me. Did he not know? Was the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform speaking out of turn? How do we do business in this institution?

This is a €360 million addition to the Department's budget and while Sinn Féin supports the proper funding of the health service, this shows the Minister's original Estimate was complete fantasy. He has failed to recoup the costs of private patients in public beds despite a commitment to do so.

We cannot debate the issue on the Order of Business.

The savings on generic drugs have failed to materialise. This is not a good way to do business and if the Taoiseach was sitting on the Opposition benches, he would say the same. I asked a straight, legitimate question and the Taoiseach did not answer. A couple of hours later, when Deputy McDonald asked another Minister the same question, he answered it. Why can the Oireachtas not be told what is going on in the health services?

I note the opposition of Deputy Martin and Deputy Adams to the proposal. These matters will be referred to the committee on Tuesday and everyone will have the opportunity to talk about them there. The budget is tomorrow and there will be follow on debate with that on Thursday. Other matters are already laid out. The proposition here is to refer this to the Select Sub-Committee on Health next Tuesday. There will be ample opportunity then for people to discuss these Supplementary Estimates.

The Taoiseach indicated that he would not oppose a debate on this.

There cannot be a debate on this. I am putting the question.

I am trying to reach a consensus on this. The Taoiseach said that Paddy wants to know but he is the last person who knows round here.

Is the proposal for dealing with No. 17, statements on the report of the expert group on the judgment in the A, B and C v. Ireland case agreed? Agreed.

Is the proposal for dealing with No. 18, Order for Report, Report and Final Stages of the Health Insurance (Amendment) Bill 2012 agreed? Agreed.

It is not agreed.

I cannot recognise you, Deputy Naughten, because you are not a member of a party.

We have very limited time to debate that matter tonight.

I appreciate that.

Giving an extra 15 or 20 minutes to it would allow us to address the issues that have been raised.

The Deputy will have to rejoin Fine Gael.

I am sorry, Deputy, but I cannot create a precedent. I ask you to resume your seat.

There are serious issues and we are now encouraging people to remain in hospital.

I again ask the Deputy to resume his seat.

Insurance companies will be paid on the basis that people remain in hospital.

Is the proposal for dealing with Private Members' business tomorrow agreed? Agreed.