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Dáil
‹ Order of Business

Water charges before local elections

Summary

Deputy Micheál Martin seeks clarification on whether households will know their likely water charges before the local elections. The Taoiseach clarifies that only the average household charge, determined by Government subvention, will be published beforehand.

In the context of a question I put to the Taoiseach yesterday in regard to the setting aside of time for a debate on the financial model for Irish Water, I asked if people would know well in advance of the local elections what they are likely to be charged for water and the Taoiseach's response was that they would. The Taoiseach did not, perhaps, realise at that time that the regulator would appear before a committee and say something different, namely, that he expected to receive a report on water charges in June and would not be in a position until August to let people know how much they will be charged. There is an urgent need for somebody to clarify the record, be that the record of this House in respect of Leaders' Questions yesterday or the record of the committee. From what the Taoiseach said this morning, it now appears householders will not know before the local elections what they are likely to be charged for water. The Taoiseach was very assertive yesterday, which assertiveness I welcome-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

This is the Order of Business.

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I think it is in order to-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

We have had Leaders' Questions.

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I am not going through the issues.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

This is like a second Leaders' Questions.

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The record of this House in terms of a question I put to the Taoiseach yesterday during Leaders' Questions states one thing and the record of a committee meeting yesterday in respect of the response from the regulator on the same matter states something different. I am asking the Taoiseach to clear that up and if, as agreed by him yesterday, time will be set aside to debate this issue. Will the Taoiseach confirm once and for all whether households will know their likely water bills prior to the local elections? That is an important point.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

The answer to the Deputy's question is "No". How can I know the water usage of individual households?

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The Taoiseach said "Yes" yesterday.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

Let us be clear - what I said was-----

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The Government knows about €2 billion in savings but cannot quantify them.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

We are not having a debate on this issue.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

We are not having the runaway train about which Deputy Cowen spoke before.

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It is a runaway train that the Government will not quantify the €2 billion in savings it has admitted to having.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Sorry, quiet please.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

When I say that householders will know the charge that will apply to them, I mean the average charge that will apply.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Deputies, please. This is not in order on the Order of Business.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

I find it truly extraordinary that Deputy Martin as the leader of Fianna Fáil would come in here and ask that individual charges be made known before the local elections.

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The Taoiseach said yesterday that people would know that.

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The Taoiseach said it would be known.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Deputies, please.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

I made it very clear that the charge-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Would you stay quiet, please?

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

-----that will be known by people is the average charge based on the subvention being given by Government. The bill for the charges will apply from January. They will be used from September onwards. Deputy Martin is asking me to tell him before the local elections what charge will apply to him.

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If the financial model was produced earlier, the regulator could come in before June.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

I am telling the Deputy. He does not want to accept this.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Sorry, Taoiseach. This is the Order of Business and we are not discussing that anymore.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

The average charge per household will be known before the local elections-----

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The Taoiseach did not use the word "average" yesterday.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

-----because the subvention determines that average charge. The regulator was correct in what he said at the committee meeting. The policy issue can only be decided by Government. This will be known and published before the local elections.

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Get on with it then.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

I dealt with the other matter raised by the Deputy earlier this morning.

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The Taoiseach did not.

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