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Order of Business

Summary

The House agrees the late sitting and the day’s legislative schedule. Opposition Deputies object to rushing the Water Services Bill and its non-reprinting, while the Taoiseach defends the substantial debate time allocated.

Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

It is proposed to take No. 37a, statements on the European Council meeting of 18 and 19 December 2014; No. 37, Water Services Bill 2014 - Committee Stage (resumed) and Remaining Stages.

It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that the Dáil shall sit later than 9 p.m. tonight and shall adjourn on the conclusion of Topical Issues; the Water Services Bill 2014 shall not be reprinted, as amended in committee, before Report Stage; No. 37a shall be taken immediately following the Order of Business and the proceedings thereon shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion after 65 minutes and the following arrangements shall apply: the statements shall be made by the Taoiseach and by the main spokespersons for Fianna Fáil, Sinn Féin and the Technical Group, who shall be called upon in that order and who may share their time and shall not exceed 15 minutes in each case; a Minister or Minister of State shall be called upon to make a statement in reply which shall not exceed five minutes; and Private Members’ business shall be No. 70 – Thirty-Fourth Amendment of the Constitution (Right to Personal Autonomy and Bodily Integrity) Bill 2014 – Second Stage (resumed) to be taken on the conclusion of No. 37 and shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion after 90 minutes.

Tomorrow’s business after Oral Questions shall be No. 8, Appropriation Bill 2014 - Order for Second Stage, Second and Remaining Stages and No. a1, Road Traffic (No. 2) Bill 2014 [Seanad] - Second Stage. It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that the following arrangements shall apply in relation to No. 8: the proceedings in relation to Second Stage shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion after 45 minutes and the following arrangements shall apply: the opening speech of a Minister or Minister of State and of the main spokespersons for Fianna Fáil, Sinn Féin and the Technical Group, who shall be called upon in that order, shall not exceed ten minutes in each case; such Members may share their time and a Minister or Minister of State shall be called upon to make a speech in reply which shall not exceed five minutes; the proceedings on Committee and Remaining Stages shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion after 20 minutes by one Question which shall be put from the Chair, and which shall, in relation to amendments, include only those set down or accepted by the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

There are four proposals to be put to the House. Is the proposal for dealing with the late sitting agreed? Agreed. Is the proposal that the Water Services Bill 2014 shall not be reprinted, as amended in committee, prior to Report Stage agreed?

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No. I put it to the Taoiseach that the degree to which the Government appears intent on ramming through the Water Services Bill 2014 prior to Christmas is extraordinary. I do not know what the hurry is because the charges have been put back to April by way of Government decision.

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Bernard Durkan Deputy Bernard J. Durkan Fine Gael

Deputy Martin is play-acting.

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I invite the Taoiseach to read the transcripts of the debate last night and from last Wednesday night, from which he will note a list of unanswered questions from Deputies. Last night, when the Minister introduced an amendment to the value of €460 million, which is no small matter, Deputy Cowen-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

We cannot discuss the Bill. This is about reprinting.

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The process and the manner in which the House is being treated is what I am speaking about. Deputy Cowen has asked a series of parliamentary questions on issues pertaining to the Bill, one of which was tabled at the beginning of last month-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

The Deputy cannot go through parliamentary questions now.

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-----to which he got misleading replies. Last evening, the Minister, out of the blue and at the 11th hour, announced something which he expected Deputies to absorb and deal with then. A series of basic questions remain unanswered, including what is the total value of assets and liabilities being transferred to Irish Water? Even now, one year on from the debate on the first Bill, we do not know the answer to that question. I am not being awkward.

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Bernard Durkan Deputy Bernard J. Durkan Fine Gael

When Fianna Fáil proposed the charge of €400 per household it did not know that either.

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One would expect when Bills of this type are going through the House that clarity would be brought to those questions. That is all I am saying.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

The question is that the Water Services Bill 2014, as amended in committee, shall not be reprinted.

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Clarity has not been brought to these issues. The fact that the Bill is not to be reprinted illustrates the haste and disorganisation in terms of the need to rush this legislation through. I cannot understand it. The water charges have been postponed until April so there is room to deal with this in a more orderly manner and, in particular, to ensure Deputies who have participated in the debate on it on a consistent basis get basic answers to the questions they have been consistently tabling, not only for the past month but for over 12 months.

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Unlike Deputy Martin I do understand the Government's anxiety to rush this Bill through on the eve of Christmas. The Government clearly has not heard the message from the people in that it continues its blarney about clarity and certainty. The clarity and the certainty that people require as the Taoiseach well knows is that the Government will abolish the domestic water charges. The Government is not prepared to do this and so is playing loose and fast with the parliamentary arrangements to get this Bill through. This is so reminiscent of the Government's approach to the Bill taken last year it is like Ground Hog Day.

I understand that it is customary to have a time for pause and reflection between the various legislative Stages. The Government is now seeking to overturn this. The Minister has brought forth substantial amendments to the Water Services Bill 2014 yet the Government is asking that we agree to the Bill not being reprinted although substantially amended. That is not on. All of this is a transparent attempt to get this legislation through before Christmas come hell or high water.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

There have been claims that the Government has not listened carefully to people and that it has not heard the message from the people. I dispute that. We have listened very carefully and have heard the message very clearly and have acted responsibly. The vast majority of people in this country know that we have to deal with the problem of manifestly unworkable and inferior infrastructure throughout the country.

On Deputy Martin's point, this Bill was debated for 11 hours on Second Stage and 21 hours have been allocated to Committee Stage. All of the questions raised have been referred to and dealt with by the Minister in one way or another.

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But not answered.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

During the remaining hours of the debate today the question referred to by Deputy Martin can be asked directly of the Minister, as can any other questions that Deputies have. As I said, there was an 11-hour debate on Second Stage and 21 hours have been allowed for the Committee Stage debate.

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Deputies have been asking these questions for the past 12 months.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Please allow the Taoiseach to reply.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

The provision of 21 hours for a Committee Stage debate is unprecedented. It is not a case of rushing something through here rather it is a case of rationalising the debate by way of grouping of amendments from Deputies and addressing them in the same way as occurs during debate on the Finance Bill or in the budgetary situation. Some 40 hours have been allocated to debate on this Bill.

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And not a question answered.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

There has been more than enough debate for people to repeat the issues ad nauseam.

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The Minister introduced new material at 8 p.m. last night.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

As I said, there was an 11-hour debate on Second Stage and 21 hours have been allocated for Committee Stage, of which a number of hours remain today during which time the questions which Deputies wish to ask can be asked directly of the Minister.

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We still do not know the value of the assets being transferred despite 40 hours of debate.

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Division Carried

Question put: "That the proposal that the Water Services Bill 2014 shall not be reprinted, as amended on Committee Stage, before Report Stage be agreed to."

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Do you agree with this result?

Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

The next item on the Order of Business is the proposal for dealing with No. 37a, statements before the European Council meeting of 18 and 19 December 2014. Is that agreed? Agreed.

Is the proposal to deal with No. 8, Appropriation Bill 2014, and No. a1, Road Traffic (No. 2) Bill 2014, tomorrow agreed? Agreed.

There are only seven minutes left on the Order of Business, so I ask Deputies to leave the Chamber quickly if they are not participating.

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