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Dáil
‹ Order of Business

Government commitments and reform plans

Summary

Micheál Martin questioned the Government’s tax, FEMPI, public-sector pay, social dialogue, older-care and health reform commitments. The Taoiseach outlined forthcoming economic, legislative and referendum work, while exchanges became increasingly partisan and were eventually curtailed by the Ceann Comhairle.

There have been reports lately referring to the commitments of the Government to cut taxes at the top and lower levels. There are new reports about negotiations and the beginning of a new social dialogue or partnership. The Taoiseach may not be aware that the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform, Deputy Brendan Howlin, said today that the Government intends to amend the FEMPI legislation and to reverse cuts to the pension levy and pay reductions for the public sector. Can the Taoiseach outline to the House when the amended FEMPI Bill as well as the amending industrial relations legislation will come before it?

When can we expect the child and family relationships Bill? The Taoiseach and Government plan to meet tomorrow to discuss the wording of the two planned referendums for May, but can he confirm when the Bill will finally be debated by the House? When does the Taoiseach propose to establish the referendum commission so that people will be in possession of the full facts well before the referendums are held?

In terms of health legislation, the Taoiseach might clarify for me the relationship between the programme for Government on health and the legislative programme we got at the start of this session. There is no relationship between the legislative commitments in the programme for Government and what is contained in sections A, B and C of the legislative programme. For example, the integrated care agency Bill is not included as a Bill which is approved or whose heads have been approved or are yet to be approved. There is a long list of health Bills in section C, but none of them have anything to do with an integrated agency, hospital insurance fund, patient safety authority or any of a whole raft of commitments in the programme for Government in terms of universal hospital care insurance, the GP contract, and the legislative basis for universal primary care, a universal primary care Act. I respectfully suggest that in the interests of realism or honesty pages 3 to 6, inclusive, of the programme for Government should be deleted or reviewed. The Government can tell fairy tales for three and a half or four years, but it is taking matters to the cleaners altogether in terms of the health agenda. The Taoiseach might indicate when the health information Bill is due.

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Deputy Martin would like to delete a lot of things, but he will not be able to.

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I would like to see a lot of this brought to fruition, including for example the programme for Government commitment on investment in the supply of more and better care for older people in the community. I have just asked about it during Leaders' Questions, but there is no money for it. The programme refers to additional funding each year for the care of older people, residential places, more home care packages, and the delivery of more home help and other professional community care services. They have all been cut back and the fair deal system of financing is under review. We have not heard about the review yet and it is being cut back. The programme for Government contains Alice in Wonderland stuff. It tears its credibility to shreds when none of it corresponds to the legislative agenda in health. None of this is going to happen.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

In respect of Deputy Martin's comment on taxes, that is clearly a matter for consideration as we move into preparation of the budget and I will not comment on it now. It is important to say that the Government has set out the fact that it wants to have an economic statement towards the end of spring which sets out the challenges on the road ahead. I would like to think the House would have an opportunity to have a real input and discussion into that.

We are not going back to social partnership the way it was. What I found wrong with social partnership was that all of those meetings took place in secret away from this institution. Given the primacy of Government and the Oireachtas, those who are elected here should have the right and the opportunity to consider, debate and reflect on the challenges that lie ahead for our country economically and in every other way. That will be the position.

The Minister, Deputy Howlin, has referred to the FEMPI legislation on a number of occasions. The Haddington Road agreement will run until July 2016 and Deputy Howlin is making preparations for a pay and reform structure that will follow it. In respect of the work the Minister for Finance, Deputy Noonan and Deputy Howlin are undertaking, I like to think they are discussing the structure and options by which people can engage with issues about which we have to make decisions in the future. I want to see the Oireachtas committee dealing with finance and this House having the opportunity to debate and discuss these important matters. The Minister for Finance, Deputy Noonan, made a proposal to me which we should very carefully consider. He proposed that we establish a budgetary committee here so that Members could have their proposals costed in a way that would allow for a better, more focused debate on the challenges that lie ahead. It would reform the process by which we prepare for the future and the budget so Members would have the opportunity to be better prepared and better able to participate.

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We made that proposal three years ago.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

The children and family relationship Bill will come before the Dáil in February.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

I said the Minister, Deputy Howlin, was starting the process. There will not be a Bill dealing with FEMPI here. He is beginning the process of preparing to have a pay and reform structure to follow the Haddington Road agreement, which will run until July 2016. The Minister for Justice and Equality, Deputy Fitzgerald, hopes to pass the children and family relationship Bill soon after it comes before the Dáil in February. The Deputy mentioned the patient safety agency, integrated care agency, hospital care purchase agency, the structural reform of the health sector and universal health insurance. Many of these issues are contingent on preparations being made for universal health insurance, which will happen in the lifetime of the next Government.

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The Taoiseach says.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

Yes, absolutely. I heard some remarks about Deputy Martin in that regard today and I do not believe them at all.

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The Taoiseach has some neck. Get off the stage. "The money follows the patient."

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

These areas are part of the discussion with the Minister for Health.

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What about the election after that?

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What about the HSE?

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The Government said it would get rid of it.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

Assuming the Government signs off on this tomorrow with the Minister for Justice and Equality, we will be able to appoint a Referendum Commission and give it plenty of time to do its work. The Government will meet on the question of the wording tomorrow.

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Will the Taoiseach rewrite the programme for Government now that it will not happen in the lifetime of this Government? Is the Dutch model gone?

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It is banjaxed.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Deputy Martin had a fair innings.

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The Dutch model is gone.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Deputy Adams without interruption.

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"The money follows the patient." It was a fair old election slogan.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Deputy, please.

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I am just reliving old times.

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That would be dangerous for Deputy Martin.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Do not encourage him, please. Deputy Adams, please ask your question.

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Deputy Martin will continue to relive them over there.

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