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Dáil
‹ Order of Business

Order of Business

Summary

The Government proposed rescheduling debate on the Mother and Baby Homes investigation order, prompting objections over reduced sitting time; the Taoiseach said the debate would resume the following week so all speakers could contribute.

Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

It is proposed to take No. a17, motion re proposed approval by Dáil Éireann of the draft Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related matters) Order, 2015 (resumed); and No. 47, Workplace Relations Bill 2014 - Report and Final Stages (resumed). It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that in the event a division is in progress at the time fixed for taking Private Members’ business, the Dáil shall sit later than 9 p.m. tonight and Private Members' business, which shall be No. 187, motion re junior certificate exam structures (resumed), shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion after 90 minutes; and notwithstanding the order of the Dáil of yesterday, the resumed proceedings on No. a17 shall, if not previously concluded, adjourn at 4 p.m. today. Tomorrow's business after Oral Questions shall be No. 47, Workplace Relations Bill 2014 - Report and Final Stages (resumed); and No. 48 Garda Síochána (Amendment)(No. 3) Bill 2014 - Second Stage (resumed).

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Is the proposal for dealing with the late sitting agreed to? Agreed. Is the proposal for dealing with No. a17 agreed to?

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It is not agreed. We were given an Order of Business earlier today and the Taoiseach read out a revised Order of Business, which we received only a moment ago. This is regarding a very important issue, the commission of investigation into mother and baby homes and certain related matters. We have consistently raised these issues with the Taoiseach. Na Teachtaí Ó Caoláin, McLellan and McDonald raised these issues this morning and we put down a comprehensive amendment to the Government's proposition. Did the Government change the Order of Business because it cannot fill the speaking slots? We will fill the slots, as will others here. For how long is it to be adjourned and why is it to be adjourned? It is not a good way to do business to give us the Order of Business and then revise it without any explanation.

The people involved are mostly women, although some men are involved and many of them were children at the time. They are hanging on, waiting for the Government to do the right thing, to fulfil the apology the Taoiseach made here on behalf of the citizens of the State. We strenuously object to the cack-handed way the Taoiseach is dealing with the issue and the way he has revised the Taoiseach's programme without any explanation whatsoever. He did not even explain it when he was on his feet. Sinn Féin is prepared to fill the speaking slots, if that is the problem. I am sure other Teachtaí would be happy to come and speak on the matter.

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We have filled our slots for the debate before this change. If the Government wants to continue the debate next week, we have no difficulty with it. Clarification is important. Is the Government not in a position to fill the slots today?

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There are Deputies out campaigning for elections.

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Does it lack speakers? There is much talk over on the Government side about elections. They have been at it since the beginning of the year so-----

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Where is the Minister, Deputy Coveney?

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I do not know whether there is a flight to the constituencies or whatever among the backbenchers but clarification is needed as to the rationale behind it.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

There is no difficulty about this. As Deputies Adams and Martin have raised, it is an important matter. It is important that people who wish to speak on it should be given time. The Chief Whip has informed me that he has another list of Members who wish to speak - I did not have a contribution to speak on it myself - so the explanation is that there are more speakers who wish to contribute to this important issue. The intention then is to adjourn today at 4 p.m. and bring it back in next week in order that everyone who wishes to speak will have the opportunity to so do. It is an important issue and I accept the claims from Deputies opposite on many occasions that more time should be given. That is what this is about and more time will be given.

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Why not allow it continue until 5.30 p.m.?

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The Government is shortening the time today.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I will put the question.

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I am not great at maths-----

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We know that.

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Deputies

We know that.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Sorry Deputy-----

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I am not great at maths but-----

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We heard the Deputy last Sunday. It was voodoo economics.

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The Deputy is not great at maths.

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----- it strikes me that while the Taoiseach states the Government wishes to give more time to more speakers, it does this by cutting an hour and a half off the time allocated. It is supposed to go on until 5.30 p.m.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Thank you Deputy, I think you have made your point on that issue.

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It now is being stopped at 4 p.m.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Thank you.

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For all of the frivolity from the amadáns in the backbenches-----

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It was not frivolous.

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Who is the Deputy talking about?

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----- this is an important issue-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Thank you. I think you have made the point.

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----- and I am sure those watching in will see how it is being trivialised by some of the hecklers on the back and front benches.

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We are not trivialising it at all.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I am putting the question.

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Yes, the Deputies opposite are trivialising it.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

This is a false row and Deputies will have more than one and a half hours next week.

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Division Carried

Question put: "That the proposal for dealing with No. a17 be agreed to."The Dáil divided: Tá, 93; Níl, 25.TáNílBreen, Pat.

Tá 93
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Níl 25

Do you agree with this result?

Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

There are only ten minutes remaining on the Order of Business.

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