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Dáil
‹ Leaders' Questions

Housing support for vulnerable families

Summary

Deputy O’Sullivan highlights children affected by abuse, homelessness and the lack of accommodation for recovering mothers seeking to reunite with children in care. The Tánaiste points to social-housing construction, vacant-unit refurbishment and 4,500 negotiated rental arrangements, while asking for details of the specific accommodation case so community welfare services can help.

I wish to discuss the issue of children. We have had appalling examples of mistreatment of children in the past. We had the Magdalen laundries, the industrial schools and mother and baby homes. We have seen abuse in families, by members of the clergy and in swimming circles. The children involved were deprived of innocence, laughter and fun, all of which should be associated with childhood. We have had commissions, reports and inquiries. While life is better for the majority of children today, I can guarantee that in 20, 30 or 40 years time we will have reports, inquiries and commissions to deal with the way certain children are treated today. I am talking about children in homeless and direct provision accommodation.

We are told that one third of all asylum seekers in those conditions are children. They can be there for anything between one and seven years. The recent first quarter report by the Dublin Region Homeless Executive was disturbing. While there is movement out of homelessness, there is an increase in the number of people becoming homeless. For example, there has been a 62% increase in the number of children in homeless services since June.

Neither set of children is living in a natural family environment. There are issues around safety, living in confined spaces and food, given the fact that the children are reliant on fast food with high fat content levels. We know of the country's difficulties with obesity. There is no space to play and there is a lack of stability, as the children are being moved from one homeless accommodation to another. More displacement is expected because we are approaching the high tourism season.

There are also issues with schools. Either children must travel long distances to their original schools or they must move schools. One can imagine a child entering a new school, being asked where he or she lives and replying that it is in the bed and breakfast or hotel down the road. There is a stigma. We are storing up severe psychological, emotional and personal developmental difficulties for these children.

Recently, the Children's Rights Alliance awarded the Government a C on the question of children. Two days ago, the European Commission repeated its call for Government action on child poverty and child care. Will the issue of homelessness, particularly as it relates to children in inappropriate settings, be viewed as an emergency of great urgency before more damage is done to the children of this country?

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As the Deputy knows, the Government has committed to probably the largest ever investment in social housing because most of the families to which she referred would be interested in obtaining social housing as the solution to their housing issues.

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Some €300 million.

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That programme is under way. Councils have been given allocations and I want to see them starting work on the programme as soon as possible. In addition, the number of voided properties for which councils were given funding in recent years, including this year, should result in an extra 1,000 units being available this year-----

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Not worth a penny.

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It is not enough.

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-----depending in particular on the co-operation and level of activity of Dublin City Council. If we can increase supply significantly, be it through reopening and refurbishing voided properties or building new properties as fast as we can and looking for co-operation, which we are getting, from the voluntary housing associations in making additional housing provision, this will be the greatest relief to the problems experienced by families at risk of homelessness.

Given the fact that we have a significant number of families in rented accommodation, I initiated - it was actually last June on a formal basis but happened some months before that - the protocol for dealing with families who were at risk of losing their rental accommodation. If anyone of whom the Deputy or any other Deputy is aware-----

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-----is at risk of homelessness because his or her lease might be coming to an end or the landlord has made an approach about raising the rent, causing the person concern, I am asking people in that situation and public representatives to get people to go to the community welfare services of the Department of Social Protection. We have already negotiated, in conjunction with quite a number of voluntary organisations such as Threshold and the Simon Communities, the renewal of leases or the sourcing of other accommodation for those families. I think-----

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There is no accommodation.

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We have already-----

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There is none. Representatives of Focus Ireland were in Leinster House yesterday. If the Tánaiste had listened to them-----

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Michael P. Kitt An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Deputy, please.

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Can I just say-----

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Some 4,500 agreements.

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-----she would have heard that we were in a crisis.

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Michael P. Kitt An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Please, Deputy.

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For God's sake. The Tánaiste would want to wake up.

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Can I just say that we have already this year negotiated 4,500-----

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I can show the Tánaiste the figures.

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Michael P. Kitt An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

I am sorry, but the Tánaiste has the floor.

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Would Deputy Ellis do me the courtesy of listening?

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I will not listen to spoofing.

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The Tánaiste is not listening.

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Deputy Ellis left a fair few families in crisis.

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Michael P. Kitt An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

The Tánaiste has the floor.

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We have already negotiated 4,500 rental agreements for families under the Department of Social Protection.

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Forty families per month are becoming homeless, in case the Tánaiste does not know.

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Michael P. Kitt An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Please, order.

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Sorry, but I am just going to repeat the figures. We have already negotiated this year 4,500 rentals through the rent supplement scheme. Deputy Ellis should not be saying to people that their only alternative is to register as homeless.

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Hear, hear.

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I have not said that.

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He should get them to go to the community welfare service-----

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The community welfare officers-----

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They have no alternatives.

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Michael P. Kitt An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Excuse me, but this is Deputy Maureen O'Sullivan's question.

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-----where they will be helped to negotiate.

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Hear, hear.

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The crisis is out of control. Has the Tánaiste not copped on?

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Michael P. Kitt An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

The Tánaiste to conclude, please.

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You left a fair few families in crisis, Deputy Ellis.

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Michael P. Kitt An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

This is Deputy Maureen O'Sullivan's question.

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I want to address-----

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Does Deputy Ellis have anything to say about Priory Hall?

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The Tánaiste does not know what she is on about with her high bleeding tactics.

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Michael P. Kitt An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Could we settle down, please?

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What about Deputy Ellis's friends in Priory Hall?

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What about the likes of Priory Hall?

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Michael P. Kitt An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

The Tánaiste has the floor. Could we settle down, please?

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Deputy Ellis has gone very quiet all of a sudden.

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I want to address Deputy Maureen O'Sullivan's question. There are two ways of helping families at risk of becoming homeless. I think that there is agreement across this House that that is a major priority. The first is to increase supply, build houses-----

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-----and get houses for lease or rent for families that need housing. We are doing that.

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The Government is not.

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Already this year, we have negotiated 4,500-----

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Does Deputy Ellis apologise to the people of-----

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-----rental arrangements funded by rent supplement.

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Deputy O'Donovan would know about the builders.

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Deputy Ellis would know about the demolitions boys. He demolished enough.

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Michael P. Kitt An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Quiet, please.

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What I want to say to Deputy Maureen O'Sullivan is that people having to register as homeless should be the absolute last resort. It is extraordinarily and exceptionally difficult for families that move into temporary accommodation such as hotels to look after their children properly. We want families with children in homes that they can call their own and where they do not need to be in a hotel or hostel-type environment. I agree with the Deputy that it is a very difficult situation for the children. It is an even more difficult situation for the parents looking after them and attending to them.

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I wish to highlight a number of other aspects by referring to a home of which I know that has been providing accommodation for women who have been abused or made the difficult journey out of addiction and into recovery. Fifteen women live in the house. Incidentally, it is in danger of losing some of its funding. Between the 15 women, there are 11 children who are in care. The women are now in a position to take their children out of care and back into a family home, but they do not have accommodation. This is another group of children who are badly affected by our housing crisis. Perhaps the motive for those women who are on their recovery journeys out of addiction is to get their children back. Seventeen year olds and 18 year olds are coming out of care for whom the HSE cannot access accommodation.

I am involved with another group that works in the Dublin area with homeless women who are pregnant or have just had their babies. The group is receiving repeated calls from maternity hospitals about taking women in, but it only has one set of premises. One of the women who has been there for a number of months is ready to move on, but there is nowhere for her to go. She is depriving someone with a newborn in the maternity hospital of a place with the group. A woman from Kildare with a premature baby cannot get anyone in Kildare to accept rent supplement. She is seeking a place in the house in Dublin.

There are 21 supported accommodation places for pregnant women or women with babies in Dublin who are homeless. We have children in care because of homelessness. This statistic is not being taken into account. If we examined the cost of foster care as opposed to the cost of providing homes for people, there would probably be a cost saving. Under the Constitution, our State guarantees protection for the family. The family is "indispensable to the welfare of the Nation". I listened to all that the Tánaiste stated. In time, those solutions will make a difference. In the meantime, though, the reality for those in emergency accommodation like bed and breakfasts and hotels, particularly children and the other groups that I mentioned, is appalling.

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So far this year through the Department of Social Protection there have been 4,500 negotiated rent agreements in respect of which we are paying a rent supplement to new families and individuals. The rent supplement provision is a very important service for families.

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It is important that the Tánaiste answer the question.

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The Deputy and her colleague beside her were members of Dublin City Council. Dublin City Council has had the practice of closing large volumes of accommodation units when they become vacant. Local authorities have been heavily resourced by the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government, by the then Minister of State with responsibility, Deputy Jan O'Sullivan, and more recently by the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government, Deputy Kelly, to bring these back into use.

In the case of a number of the families about whom the Deputy is speaking, accommodation where the empty properties have been redone are in locations where there is other council housing and they would be highly acceptable, as I know and the Deputy knows, to many of the people concerned provided they come on stream as fast as Dublin City Council can do that. Through the protocol with the housing organisations and the support services, we have made provision for up to 1,500 agreements. In addition, across a range of local authorities new people coming in get the housing assistance payment, HAP. That is also working.

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Michael P. Kitt An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

I thank the Tánaiste.

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The Deputy spoke specifically about women rehabilitating out of drug addiction or some other form of addiction and I ask her to give me the specific details. The community welfare service works specifically with the homeless services in the HSE and the different local authorities, particularly Dublin City Council. If the Deputy can give me details of some of those I will ask the community welfare service to see if it can give any additional support.

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