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Dáil
‹ Order of Business

Irish Water borrowing and pensions

Summary

Pearse Doherty challenges Irish Water’s proposed borrowing above the statutory limit and asks whether legislation will be amended, while also raising political-pension eligibility. The Ceann Comhairle rules the matters outside the promised-legislation business; the Taoiseach says Irish Water’s investment plan is lawful.

I have two questions. Irish Water has published its seven-year business plan. It stated in a presentation that it would raise €3 billion through borrowing. Clearly, this is unlawful, as the House passed the Water Services (No. 2) Act 2013, section 35 of which states that Irish Water can only have a combined debt of €2 billion at any given time. What does the Taoiseach propose to do? Does he propose to ask Irish Water to produce a plan that remains within the law of the State?

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

That is not appropriate to the Order of Business. You know that.

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It is. Is the Taoiseach seeking to amend the Water Services (No. 2) Act to allow Irish Water to raise additional debt? The rate was set at €500,000 and the current law states it is €2 billion. Is the Taoiseach intending to-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Is there promised legislation?

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-----amend the legislation to allow Irish Water to comply with the law?

My second question concerns a commitment in the programme for Government. The last time I asked the Taoiseach about the matter he said he would refer to the advice of the Attorney General. There is a clear commitment that no retired politician will get a political pension until the national retirement age. Many politicians are seeking to retire and many will be forced to retire when the electorate get their hands on them during the election, whenever that takes place. Is it the case that those who were in office prior to 2004-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Sorry. There is no promised legislation in this area.

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-----will still be entitled to a political pension as long as they reach 50 years of age or-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Sorry, would you resume your seat? That is not on the-----

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Will legislation be needed to bring forward the commitment that remains-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

This is about promised legislation.

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-----in the programme for Government to bring this about?

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Deputy McGuinness.

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Sorry, with respect-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

No, there is no promised legislation. It is about promised legislation. I have to be fair to everybody. If I cut off one person, I have to cut off everybody if they are not adhering to the Order of Business.

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A Cheann Comhairle, Irish Water has produced a plan that is unlawful at this point in time.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Pensions have nothing to do with the Order of Business-----

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The question is-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

-----and Irish Water is not a matter for Dáil Éireann. It is a State company.

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That shows the farce of Irish Water, that it is not a matter for Dáil Éireann.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Well, it is a State company. I am sorry. Deputy McGuinness.

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The question is that we have a State agency which is producing a plan which is unlawful. Irish Water has stated in its report that there is a proposal before the Minister.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

It is not a matter-----

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Is the Government planning to introduce-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

There is no promised legislation in the area. Deputy McGuinness.

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The question I have is whether the Minister is planning to introduce an amendment to the Water Services Act because in a presentation to me, Irish Water said-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Is there legislation promised in this area?

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-----it will raise the debt to €3 billion which is clearly unlawful.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

Irish Water published a plan for investment of €5.5 billion-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

There is no legislation promised.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

-----until 2021.

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So it will remain unlawful in terms of its plan.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Please resume your seat.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

Very lawful.

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