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Dáil
‹ Order of Business

Health funding and housing commitments

Summary

Deputy Micheál Martin seeks time to debate disputed health funding and outstanding housing and debt-management commitments, prompting heated exchanges about the parties’ records before the Chair restores order.

Will the Government give specific time for discussion of the health Estimates, because there is total confusion in terms of what health has received in this year's budget? The huge supplementary provision of €600 million illustrates the dishonesty that has been at the centre of health Estimates over the past three years. This has caused significant distress in hospitals and led to extended waiting times for both outpatient and inpatient cases.

Yesterday, the Minister, Deputy Varadkar, outdid himself in the spin department. He announced health funding of €13.175 billion for current expenditure in 2016, allegedly an increase of €900 million, but on budget day last year he announced Exchequer funding of €13.079 billion in current expenditure - a difference of approximately €96 million. Somewhere in between he has lost close to €800 million. Then, yesterday, the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform, Deputy Howlin, stated in the expenditure report that health was getting an increase of €280 million. He also said that health spending was now at pre-crash levels.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I remind the Deputy that we are on the Order of Business.

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However, the Minister for Health, Deputy Varadkar, explicitly denies that. Will the Taoiseach provide Government time for a debate on the health Estimate and on broader health issues, because there is chaos and a lack of morale in the system?

On the programme for Government legislative commitments on housing and distressed mortgages, it is interesting that it was written into the programme five years ago that the Government would convert the Money Advice and Budgetary Service, MABS, into a strengthened personal debt management agency with strong legal powers that would support families and make an honest effort to deal with their debts, including non-mortgage debt, and provide protection from creditors where appropriate so that families would have time to sort out their affairs. In order to do this, the personal debt management agency would have quasi-judicial status. When will that legislation be introduced and what is the position on it?

In regard to homelessness, a provision was made four and a half years ago in the programme for Government that in line with the comprehensive spending review, the Government would alleviate the problem of long-term homelessness by introducing a housing first approach to accommodate homeless people. In that way, it would be able to offer homeless people suitable long-term housing in the first instance and radically reduce the use of hostel accommodation and the associated costs for the Exchequer. I respectfully suggest that the use of hostel accommodation has not reduced. Rather, hotel and emergency accommodation for the homeless has doubled, treble or quadrupled. The Government said that by having a dedicated body to formulate policy across Government, it would target initiatives in cross-cutting areas to prevent, as much as possible, problems like homelessness. Can the Taoiseach indicate when the legislation for that cross-cutting body will be brought before the House as provided for in the programme for Government?

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

For 2016, the Department of Health will have funding from the Exchequer of €13.175 billion in current expenditure and €414 million in capital. Further funds come in from contributions from the HSE, from private insurance, car parks and so on. These amount to over €1 billion. This represents an increase of €880 million on the 2015 current expenditure budget set out in the Revised Estimates volume and €32 million on capital expenditure.

In the last period the Tánaiste has nominated a number of MABS officers around the country to work in a more focused and structured way with people who have mortgage difficulties. This is paying dividends in the work they do. I will have to advise Deputy Micheál Martin in respect of the legislation to which he refers concerning the personal debt mediation, PDM, agency. The same applies to legislation on housing, an issue he has raised.

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Does the Taoiseach have any idea at all of where they are? They were promised five years ago.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

Suffice it to say that whenever the Deputy speaks about housing and the construction sector, the party he leads should be ashamed of itself for what it did.

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That is a fantasy.

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It should be ashamed. They are straight out of the Galway tent.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I call Deputy Pádraig Mac Lochlainn.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Perhaps the Deputies were up late last night and cannot hear. I ask them to respect the Chair please. There is only one Deputy Pádraig Mac Lochlainn and I have called him.

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We were not up late, actually.

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What about Fianna Fáil's housing policy?

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It is better than Fine Gael's. There are some 5,000 on the list in Limerick. That is its policy.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Will the Minister of State, please, settle down? I will not ask him a second time. Everybody is treated equally in this Chamber. Will Deputies, please, stay quiet and allow Deputy Pádraig Mac Lochlainn to speak?

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