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CPP security measures and parliamentary conduct

Summary

Deputy McDonald condemns new security arrangements and the response of the Committee on Procedure and Privileges to a recent confrontation, linking the issue to wider concerns about Traveller living conditions and deaths. Government Deputies defend the committee and demand respect, while the Tánaiste says patient-safety legislation was being carefully prepared and has no information on the court appointment.

Finally, the Committee on Procedure and Privileges, CPP, has, in its abundant wisdom, decided that changes in security are necessary to protect us feeble Deputies on foot of an exchange that happened last week. I want to put on the record my absolute disgust and the disgust of Sinn Féin at the absolute overreaction of the Ceann Comhairle, CPP and all concerned to what was a very, very minor verbal exchange. If Members of this House imagine that we have some right to be wrapped up in cotton wool and insulated from the realities of life, then I think we could do well-----

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Shame on the Deputy.

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It was disgraceful.

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Bernard Durkan Deputy Bernard J. Durkan Fine Gael

Disgraceful.

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More bullying.

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Michael P. Kitt An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Deputies, please.

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Shameful. Disgraceful.

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We could do better-----

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Michael P. Kitt An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Deputies, please.

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Shameful. Disgraceful.

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If the hectoring could stop, from the benches opposite-----

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I witnessed the whole incident and it was not nice.

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Could Deputy Butler not sleep that night?

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It was disgraceful. If the Deputies think that is right, allowing people to come in here and do that, they are mistaken.

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It was a disgrace.

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Michael P. Kitt An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Order please.

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It was a disgrace. People should not have to deal with that in their place of work.

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The Deputy should cop himself on. This is the people's Parliament, not just a place of work. This is the people's Parliament. The Deputy should cop himself on. His Government has destroyed people's lives.

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The Deputies should cop themselves on. They are a bunch of babies, whimpering babies.

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Michael P. Kitt An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Deputy McDonald has the floor. I ask her to conclude.

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Whimpering babies is what they are.

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Michael P. Kitt An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Please Deputies. Deputy McDonald is making a point.

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The Deputies opposite are good at bullying. They are good at intimidating people and beating them up.

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Are they saying it did not happen?

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This is the people's Parliament and particularly in the context of that exchange, Members ought to be more concerned at the substandard and subhuman conditions in which many Traveller citizens live and more cognisant of the fact-----

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It is about respect. It is about respect for the office and respect for the people-----

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-----that ten of our citizens lost their lives-----

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-----and not to be attacked coming from one's work. That is what I call respect.

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The Deputy should cop himself on.

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It is called respect.

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Was Deputy Butler there?

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I was there. I saw it. I was getting into my car and I saw it.

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He should cop himself on. He is an eejit and should cop himself on.

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It is about having respect. Deputy Mac Lochlainn was not there. I was there. Sinn Féin are nothing but bully boys.

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Michael P. Kitt An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Deputy Butler, please. Allow Deputy McDonald to conclude.

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Ten citizens lost their lives-----

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Michael P. Kitt An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

I will have no more interruptions.

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-----in the most appalling of circumstances. What is the response of this Dáil, the people's Parliament? It is to vote down a perfectly reasonable and honourable motion.

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That is democracy.

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Better than that, for Members of this Dáil to get precious about themselves, precious because they were held to account, albeit in strongly worded language-----

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Bernard Durkan Deputy Bernard J. Durkan Fine Gael

The Deputy is on the edge now.

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Michael P. Kitt An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Thank you.

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Let me tell the Deputies, that is bread and butter in the city that I come from-----

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Bernard Durkan Deputy Bernard J. Durkan Fine Gael

She is stepping over the line now.

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Michael P. Kitt An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

I call the Tánaiste.

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-----and I want to express our disgust at the CPP and the Ceann Comhairle-----

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Michael P. Kitt An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

The Deputy has said that already.

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-----for making a mountain out of a mole hill and for behaving in this fashion.

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As well as spinning it and leaking it to journalists.

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They are nothing but bully boys.

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Bully boys.

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On the first question on the health information and patient safety Bill, the Deputy may recall that since this Dáil commenced there has been a series of very traumatic disclosures relating to issues around patient health and safety, particularly in maternity care. All of us here recall what happened to families who lost babies in the Midlands Regional Hospital Portlaoise and in other areas. It is a bit of a cheap shot on the part of Deputy McDonald to suggest that the Minister, by taking time to look at the learning from those various reports on what happened to those poor, unfortunate families, is delaying this very important element of our national public health service. We are trying to absorb the learning about how, as a society, can address these kinds of issues-----

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It has been delayed. It was announced in March 2014.

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Just hold on. I know this is being done for video purposes on the Deputy's part. She should just hold on and get off the stage. We are talking in the Parliament. All I am saying is that it would be very foolish of any Government or any Member of this House not to take on board the learning of the trauma that those families suffered when they lost their precious babies. If that is one of the reasons for the Minister taking his time about establishing a new authority and consulting widely, then I believe he has done a wise thing and the proper thing. The Deputy may differ from me on that because she wants instant shots on everything. He has done the wise thing and it will, of course, be dealt with. The Minister gave an extensive interview this morning. It is coming into force now and he has dealt with it properly and wisely.

The last issue the Deputy raised is a matter for the CPP. The Deputy should address her remarks there. I would just say, of the tragedy that befell the Traveller families in the fire in Carrickmines, that again the Deputy is trying to be very divisive by suggesting that other people who differ politically from her do not actually have concerns about what happened in terms of the dreadful loss of life and are not reaching out to provide, as best as possible, for those families in their grief and trauma. Deputy McDonald does not have a monopoly on lecturing the rest of us on how we should respond to human events. I am looking at Deputies here who would be of a different persuasion to Sinn Féin who went to those funerals, who actually talked with the families and met with people from the Traveller community. That is as important and valuable as Deputy McDonald's particular shouty concerns here this morning. Making politics of that, in a crude way, is wrong. Finally-----

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The crude thing was to bring the matter to the CPP. That is what happened.

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That is a different matter and Members are entitled to do that.

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The Deputy asked about court appointments and retirements. I do not have any information on that.

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Michael P. Kitt An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Thank you, Tánaiste. I wish to say that it is a long-standing convention that the Ceann Comhairle is not criticised in this House. I should put that on the record before I call the next speaker.

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That approach is working.

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Michael P. Kitt An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Deputy Joe Carey.

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