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Dáil
‹ Order of Business

Next week's sitting arrangement

Summary

Members debated changes to Wednesday and Thursday business, with concerns about committee clashes, the Finance Bill timetable, and the decision not to sit next week. After extended argument over the Business Committee’s role and the proposed adjournment, the House agreed to reconvene at 2 p.m. on Wednesday, 2 November.

I want to raise a concern I have. The purpose of the change to Standing Orders to accommodate committee times on Wednesday and Thursday mornings that did not conflict with the Dáil's business are sound and they have not changed. The debate and argument about committee business not interfering, or vice versa, stand. I am concerned and surprised that we are changing the Order of Business to have the Dáil sit at 10 a.m., which will interfere directly with the committees.

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I welcome it and long may it continue.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Is the proposal for dealing with Wednesday's business agreed to?

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Not agreed. While I accept what the Chief Whip said about the Business Committee meeting again if additional time is required, the purpose of us coming together and having a proposal for the full week is that we do not have to come together thereafter. If additional time is allocated now it might not necessarily be taken up. I do not know how many people are offering. I know from my office looking at the number of slots available that the number of speakers from Sinn Féin is well in excess of the slots we have available. The same applies for Thursday. We are supposed to make a proposal which covers the entire week. This is why I said earlier I would have done the whole lot in one, except for the interruption. I propose an additional hour and ten minutes for Wednesday. It is not a huge amount of time, but it is as far as we can reasonably expect the Dáil to sit. I will deal with Thursday later.

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As I said, the Business Committee agreed to scheduled eight and a half hours of this week's business. We have been kindly granted the extra two hour sittings on Wednesday and Thursday mornings to facilitate the passage of the Finance Bill this week, and if more people are looking to speak than there is time, we will sit again and make sure we add extra time. That was what was agreed by the Business Committee last Thursday.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Is that agreed?

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Deputies

Not agreed.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

We now move to the proposal for dealing with Thursday's business. Is that agreed?

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Not agreed. I discussed this with the Fianna Fáil Whip and assistant Whip. When I heard it first I found it difficult to comprehend.

The Dáil rose on 21 July and resumed on 27 September. In July we were all told major works were to be undertaken to physically refurbish the Chamber, but that did not happen. Therefore, it transpired that there was no necessity for the longer than usual summer recess. It is now proposed that the Dáil should not sit next week. It is not due back until 8 November. We think this sends the wrong signal completely. I would appreciate an explanation of the rationale behind the House not coming back next week. Why is the Business Committee proposing this? We should sit next week, given the lengthy summer recess. We have issues with this proposal.

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On the proposals for Thursday, the Government is proposing its first use of the guillotine on the Finance Bill 2016. While I accept the Chief Whip's comment that eight and a half hours has been set aside for the debate, that is not enough considering the eight opening contributions will take four hours. That means that there will only be four hours and 20 minutes to be shared between all other Members, Government and Opposition, to discuss one of the most important Bills brought before the House every year, given that the Minister will have time to wrap up the debate. I propose that the guillotine be lifted and that the debate be adjourned on Thursday. I have not asked for additional time on Thursday. We should deal with Second Stage at a later date, as we have done in the past.

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I have obviously become the spokesperson for the Business Committee, which is interesting as I only have one vote on it.

On Deputy Aengus Ó Snodaigh's comments, the purpose in asking for the additional two hours on Wednesday and Thursday mornings was to facilitate the passage of Second Stage this week because we would not be here next week. Every member of the committee will be aware that when I proposed the schedule for the session between September and December, we were to sit next week, but I was overruled by practically every other member

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No, I checked with-----

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Not on the first day the schedule was brought to the committee. A member of the committee asked where was the mid-term break and I replied that I did not believe we should have one on the basis that we had a large legislative programme to be passed between then and Christmas. I was overruled and told we should have one. I came back the following week with the schedule and rather than diminish the number of sitting days by two and a half, I added them in Christmas week. Unfortunately, therefore, everybody will be sitting Christmas week as opposed to sitting next week, but we have not lost a single sitting day.

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Let us sit next week so.

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At the request of members of the Business Committee, to whom I am beholden, they voted for a break next week. I have only one vote on the committee, as has Deputy Micheál Martin's party.

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In advance of making any point today, I checked this out. Our Whip spoke to the Chief Whip and said he did not agree with this idea. Our assistant Whip equally articulated that view.

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The week after.

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That is what happened. Just as other Members have articulated their disappointment about this week, I am firm that it is the wrong decision not to come back next week. Collectively, the House is making a mistake in terms of the public's appreciation of what we are doing here.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Is the proposal for dealing with Thursday's business agreed to?

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Question put: "That the proposal that the House adjourn until Tuesday, 8 November, be agreed to."

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Do you agree with this result?

Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

I call on the Minister of State, Deputy Regina Doherty.

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I find myself in the very strange position of actually getting what I asked the Business Committee for when we proposed the schedule a number of weeks ago, even though everybody else in the room on that day agreed, including Fianna Fáil.

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The Minister of State will have to cancel the flight.

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If anybody wants to disagree with me I would refer him or her to the minutes of the meeting which are clearly on the record for everybody to see. We will now be sitting next week. We will put a proposal to the Dáil Business Committee this week to resume the House next week at 2 p.m. on Wednesday and sit on Wednesday and Thursday.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Can we agree that now?

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We are going to check to see how many of you are there.

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There will be as many here as there were on Fridays last year.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Is the House agreeable-----

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We were very fond of the Fridays.

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I have never sat on a Friday, and I will not.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Is the House agreeable-----

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Is there anyone who opposes-----

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Deputy Breen has a problem with it.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

There is plenty of time for the Finance Bill. Is the House agreeing to sit at 2 p.m. on Wednesday, 2 November, or is there anyone opposed to that?

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Next Wednesday. Monday is a bank holiday.

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I understand that the forum to discuss Brexit meets next Wednesday. Is that right?

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There are only two people going to that.

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Are there 158 of us going to that?

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Will the House sit at the same time as that forum?

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

It is very simple.

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I understood the proposal from the Government Whip was that she would bring forward a proposal in regard to the business. Why are we deciding it now?

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

It is in the interests of all Members who are here today. The issue could come back to the House and perhaps we could have another vote. It is quite simple. The proposal is that the House will sit next Wednesday at 2 p.m. in view of the public holiday. Is that agreed?

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There is no point in a meeting of the Business Committee because it has clearly become farcical.

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I suggest that the Government Whip bring a proposal to the House and it will make a decision. The Business Committee itself has no function.

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As a member of the Business Committee, which sat last week, and agreed the business, I wonder what the point in having the Business Committee is if we are going to come in here and make a populist decision to overrule it. That is all it is; nothing else.

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The Business Committee will now have a meeting to decide on the business for next week. Will we deal only with statements or something nonsensical? Will there be an Order of Business, Leaders' Questions and a full Dáil schedule? I do not know whether we will have that. It depends on what is decided with Fine Gael.

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It is farcical. The Business Committee has been undermined.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

It is very clear. It has now been agreed that the Business Committee will bring a proposal to the House tomorrow.

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The difficulty with that, with respect, is that first of all the Deputy has seriously undermined the authority and business management of the Business Committee. The Business Committee will not sit until Thursday and, therefore, will not have an opportunity to come back to the House to ask its permission on how we order our business for next week. That is why I propose that we order our business now on the basis that we come back on Wednesday of next week at 2 p.m., and sit on Wednesday and Thursday. The decision on what business we will conduct next week will be taken by the Business Committee next Thursday. For a Deputy who is so in charge of Dáil reform-----

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The Business Committee should be asked by the Dáil to meet before we take any decision on next week's business and on the adjournment on Thursday, and also take into account whether Members will attend the Brexit forum on Wednesday or can attend at all.

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The Business Committee is unrepresentative.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Is the House agreeable to the proposal that the House will adjourn until 2 p.m. on Wednesday, 2 November? Agreed.

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