Order of Business
The Government’s business for today, Wednesday and Thursday was proposed and agreed after debate over whether a health-related debate or motion should be arranged. Members pressed for more substantial debate on the health crisis and the proposed Thursday arrangements, and the Business Committee was asked to consider the matter later that day.
Today's business shall be No. 16, Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Bill 2015 [Seanad] - Report and Final Stages resumed; and No. 5, Courts (No. 2) Bill 2016 - Order for Second Stage and Second Stage. Private Members' Business shall be No. 26, Pensions (Amendment) (No. 2) Bill 2017 selected by Fianna Fáil.
Wednesday's business shall be No. 16, Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Bill 2015 [Seanad] - Report and Final Stages, resumed if not previously concluded; No. 5, Courts (No. 2) Bill 2016 - Second Stage resumed; and No. 6, Bail (Amendment) Bill 2016 - Order for Second Stage and Second Stage. Private Members' Business shall be No. 27, Media Ownership Bill 2017 selected by the Social Democrats-Green Party Group.
Thursday's business shall be No. 17, statements on the recent US executive order on immigration; No. 10, motion re psychoactive drugs back from Committee, without debate; and No. 28, National Famine Commemoration Day Bill 2017 - Second Stage. Second Stage of No. 29, Consumer Insurance Contracts Bill 2017 will be debated in the evening slot.
I refer Members to the first revised report of the Business Committee dated 2 February 2017. In respect of today's business, it is proposed that Second Stage of the Pensions (Amendment) (No. 2) Bill 2017 shall be brought to a conclusion, if not previously concluded, at 10.00 p.m.
In respect of Wednesday's business, it is proposed that Second Stage of the Media Ownership Bill 2017 shall be brought to a conclusion, if not previously concluded, after two hours.
In respect of Thursday's business, there are five proposals. It is proposed that:
(1) The Dáil shall sit at 9.30 a.m. to take statements on the recent US executive order on immigration, which shall be brought to a conclusion after three hours. The speech of a Minister or Minister of State and the main spokespersons for parties or groups, or a Member nominated in their stead shall be not more than 15 minutes each. A second round of 60 minutes in total for members of the Government, Fianna Fáil and Sinn Féin is to be divided proportionally on a 40:40:20 basis, respectively, and all Members may share time. If the statements conclude before 12.30 p.m., the House shall suspend until 12.30 p.m. and Leaders' Questions shall commence at 12.30 p.m.;
(2) The Dáil shall sit later than 7.48 p.m. and shall adjourn on the conclusion of proceedings on the Consumer Insurance Contracts Bill 2017;
(3) The motion re psychoactive drugs, back from Committee, shall be taken without debate;
(4) The Order of the Dáil of 31 January 2017 that Second Stage of the National Famine Commemoration Day Bill 2017 be taken in Private Members' time, shall be discharged and Second Stage of the Bill shall be taken today in Government time and shall be brought to a conclusion after 130 minutes. The speech of a Government proposer and the main spokespersons for parties or groups, or a Member nominated in their stead, shall not exceed 15 minutes each. There shall be a ten-minute response from the Government proposer and all Members may share time; and
(5) Questions to the Minister for Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation shall take place at 4.10 p.m. or on the conclusion of the proceedings on the National Famine Commemoration Day Bill 2017, whichever is the earlier.
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There are three proposals to be put to the House. Is the proposal for dealing with today's business agreed to?
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It is not agreed. My party's whip has e-mailed the Business Committee to express our view that in light of the revelations in last night's "RTE Investigates" programme, we require an opportunity to have a fuller and more comprehensive debate about the capacity of the health service in the context of this year's health service plan to meet the needs that clearly arise. I refer in particular to the need to deliver operations and surgeries on a timely basis to young children with scoliosis and people with gynaecological conditions who have been waiting for far too long. It was revealed in last night's programme that this is happening across the board. It would be very useful for all Deputies to be able to participate in a fuller and more comprehensive debate. Many Deputies on all sides of the House have come across different priority cases in their own areas and in hospitals in their own constituencies and geographic regions. It is important for the Dáil to be flexible and adaptable. We should have the capacity to respond to issues of genuine and urgent public concern. In the aftermath of last night's programme, there is no doubt that people want precise answers that set out what will happen in 2017 to ensure the kinds of harrowing experiences that were revealed by patients during the programme are brought to an end. These issues need to be prioritised and dealt with adequately. We need to be reassured that the 2017 health service plan gives the Government and the HSE the capacity to do just that. The commitments we were given in the past in relation to some of the areas that were highlighted last night did not come to pass and were not realised.
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Approval has been given to the selection of this matter for debate in the context of Topical Issues later this afternoon. If Members are in agreement, we can convene a meeting of the Business Committee this afternoon to consider Deputy Martin's request.
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I think such a debate is necessary. I understand that this matter will be discussed during Topical Issues. In light of the depth of the crisis in the health service, I have absolutely no doubt that Members will wish to have an opportunity to contribute to that debate. It struck me during Leaders' Questions, as I listened to figures and statistics rolling so easily off the Taoiseach's tongue, that there seems to be a serious disconnect regarding what it means for real people in the real world to live on these lists.
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In the last Dáil, I raised the specific issue of children with scoliosis on the Order of Business on several occasions.
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Promises were made, but they meant nothing. I join Deputy Martin in insisting on a debate.
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We need to get answers this time.
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Is the House amenable to the suggestion that the Business Committee should convene this afternoon and arrange for time to be provided for this matter to be addressed?
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I think that is in order, a Cheann Comhairle. This matter will be considered during two of this afternoon's Topical Issues slots so that should allow a number of questions that need to be answered to be answered.
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That will be a very limited debate.
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Of course I have no objection at all to the Business Committee determining that an appropriate debate on the health area should take place.
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I do not think set-piece speeches will advance our knowledge of these matters. I put it to the Business Committee that there should be some sort of interaction in the course of the proposed debate so that we can pose questions and get responses to those questions.
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Subject to that caveat, is the proposal for dealing with today's business agreed to? Agreed.
Is the proposal for dealing with Wednesday's business agreed to? Agreed. Is the proposal for dealing with Thursday's business agreed to?
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I have a question about that. We requested a debate. It seems a bit pointless to have statements. There was a discussion about motions being taken. I do not know what happened to that but it would seem that Deputies from either Fine Gael or Fianna Fáil would not agree to a motion that was going to condemn the executive order.
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It is not true. On a point of order-----
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The Business Committee, when it meets later, should discuss whether motions are going to taken on Thursday. Otherwise, we will engage in a theoretical debate, with nothing being sent out from this Parliament in terms of what has happened.
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Deputy Coppinger has knowingly misled the House. Motions were-----
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I just asked a question.
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No. Deputy Coppinger basically accused Fianna Fáil and other parties of not agreeing to a motion. We circulated a motion to everyone, signed by Sinn Féin and other Members, which specifically condemns the executive order. Perhaps Deputy Coppinger should get up to speed with her e-mails and what is being circulated rather than making accusations that are not true.
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To correct this, the Whips committee had agreed a motion. Deputy Darragh O'Brien is wrong.
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Will Deputy Coppinger resume her seat, please? A number of motions were produced and circulated to the Business Committee. Members were asked to take the motions away to see if it might be possible to reach agreement. Manifestly, it was not possible to reach agreement, and that is why we are having statements rather than a motion. We will consider the matter this afternoon.
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The exact reason for what is happening is that the AAA-PBP failed to give a commitment to the effect that it would not seek to amend any agreed motion.
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No, we did not. I want to correct that because it is important. The Anti-Austerity Alliance-People Before Profit group agreed a motion. Then, for some reason, that motion was not agreed by you lot.
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That sums it up. We are all just "you lot".
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I do not mean to be smart but, genuinely, we have to be respectful. I know Deputy Coppinger was not there last week. What we agreed unanimously was that we would attempt, as a House, to come to an agreement on a choice of words. It was agreed that they would not be Deputy Coppinger's words, my words, Deputy Micheál Martin's words, Deputy Darragh O'Brien's words or the Labour Party's words but our words. We all agreed-----
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Not my words. It was the Green Party's words. The Deputy should be accurate.
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If she does not mind, the Deputy might listen for once. It would really be useful if she could hear what people say back to her. We all agreed that if we could not agree, we would have statements. Deputy Coppinger might have missed that part of the meeting but we all agreed that we would have a motion if it was unanimous. We could not agree on a unanimous statement and, therefore-----
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Who is "we"?
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The Business Committee, which runs the business of the House. The Deputy knows the Business Committee, the meetings of which she attends every Thursday.