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Phone tapping allegations

Summary

Several Deputies press the Taoiseach for answers on alleged unlawful phone tapping, arguing the matter involves interception legislation and serious unanswered questions. The Taoiseach repeatedly says he does not have the details of the early-2000s case and can only repeat the prior report’s findings.

The programme for Government commits to transparency and accountability. The Taoiseach coined the phrase, "Paddy needs to know". Paddy wants to know. The issue of phone tapping has been raised by many Deputies following news reports that the phone of a PA of a sitting Deputy was tapped. As I understand it, it was someone who was in the Opposition and in the same constituency as a Minister.

The Taoiseach read the judge's reports on phone taps, but they were phone taps which had been properly cleared. However, these allegations involve phone taps which had not been properly cleared.

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That is not relevant in the context of promised legislation.

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It was also 20 years ago.

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We have had this mentioned and it is not relevant in the context of promised legislation.

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Actually the Minister for Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government, Deputy Simon Coveney, has promised legislation in this area.

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The interception legislation needs to be amended.

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I raise this issue in the context of interception legislation. The allegations involve phone taps which had not been properly cleared and, therefore, could not have been part of the judge's reports. As the Taoiseach went on to say it had happened in the early 2000s, he knows exactly what happened. As he has the reports, why can we not be told? Why can he not tell us what happened, who was involved and so on?

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

I do not have the details of what happened back then.

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We know the details.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

What I read for the Deputy and the nation was the last report received from the justice dealing with the issue.

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It is inaccurate.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

He had asked questions of An Garda Síochána and the Department of Justice and Equality. He had asked for records, computer records and other information.

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He needs to talk to a whistleblower.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

In both cases, that is, in respect of An Garda Síochána and the Department, all of the questions had been answered to his satisfaction. His conclusion which is lodged in the Oireachtas Library was that-----

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Somebody lied to him.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

-----An Garda Síochána and the Department were fully in compliance with the Acts.

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He needs to speak to the whistleblower.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

It is not only about a small number of cases in which the law was complied with because he asked questions about a range of issues, as a justice would, in that regard-----

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He got the wrong answers.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

That was his report. I do not have the report from the early 2000s and do not know for what period it was or who the Minister for Justice was at the time.

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The Taoiseach should find out.

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