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Dáil
‹ Leaders' Questions (Resumed)

Grenfell Tower fire safety

Summary

Deputy Boyd Barrett condemned the Grenfell Tower fire and called for a minute's silence and a strong House statement. The Tánaiste said the tragedy justified a review of fire safety and cladding standards, and that work had already begun.

Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

We will now move on.

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I am going to speak now.

It is not possible to put into words the sheer horror of the inferno that engulfed the lives of maybe as many as 80 innocent people in the Grenfell Tower in London. It is emerging now that not only were people burned alive in that inferno but many of them were poisoned by cyanide released from the combustible material that was used to clad that building. What is now becoming increasingly apparent is that this is not simply a huge humanitarian and personal tragedy but it is an absolute scandal and outrage. It is not an exaggeration to say that what happened in Grenfell was murder by negligence, murder by austerity, murder by cutbacks, murder by inequality and murder resulting from utter contempt for the well-being of the less well off in British society.

The Grenfell Action Group, the residents association, warned several times in the two years preceding this tragedy that the tower was an accident waiting to happen.

In November last year, in prophetic words, they said, "It is a truly terrifying thought, but the Grenfell action group firmly believe that only a catastrophic event will expose the ineptitude and incompetence of our landlord", the housing association managed by Kensington and Chelsea Borough Council. As well as extending our solidarity to people, the question for us is could Grenfell happen here and are we prepared to ensure that it does not? We have had warnings from Kevin Hollingsworth, quantity surveyor and expert in this area, from Dublin Fire Brigade and other fire experts, all saying categorically that Grenfell could happen here.

Kevin Hollingsworth has said that 40% of the multi-occupancy units built during the period of the Celtic tiger are fire hazards. Fire expert, Noel Manning, says that the building regulations which were updated this year have completely ignored the warnings of fire consultants, that the regulations themselves are defective and can produce the sort of chimney effect that we saw in Grenfell because they do not have proper fire resistance because they do not provide for proper fire resistance between units in multiple-occupancy buildings. We have the scandal of self-certification when buildings are being designed and constructed and we have no inspection whatsoever of buildings that may be unsafe. What is the Government going to do about this to ensure we do not have a repeat of the utter tragedy and outrage of Grenfell?

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No words can adequately deal with the horror that unfolded in London with this horrific and tragic fire which saw the loss of so many lives. It undoubtedly raises questions in the UK regarding the kind of issues that the Deputy mentioned, but every country will want to examine whether their own fire safety measures are good enough, if materials are being used in cladding such as the ones used in the UK, and to review fire safety. The Minister has already started to do all that. Of course a tragedy like that raises question and means that we have to review everything. I want to assure the House that is being done. That process was started immediately by the Minister, Deputy Murphy.

I will make some points on fire fatalities in this country. While each fire death is one too many, the annual fire death rate per million people in Ireland has been almost halved over the past 15 years from on average 11.9 fire fatalities per million population for the years 2001 to 2003 to 6.9 in 2014 to 2016. It is important to note that because we do not want people to become unduly anxious about this issue here, although questions arise. Our country is among those with the lowest incidence of loss of life in fire, which is an important context in which to consider this matter. Nevertheless, we need to examine recent builds and I take the point that the Deputy makes. We need to be sure that our building regulations are up to the task, that we have the personnel in force to supervise them, that the local authorities have the staff they need to continuously monitor the situation.

At present, there is a report into the fire in Newbridge, which I expect the Minister will discuss in the House once it is available. Following the introduction of the building control amendment regulation 2014 there is a requirement on the owner of a building to assign a competent professional to act as an assigned certifier in relation to individual projects, and to lodge a statutory certificate of compliance on completion with the local building control authority. We have been taking increased action to ensure that the building regulations are adequate to deal with the task that the Deputy outlined. Again, part B of the building regulations set the minimum standards for fire safety in the new buildings and in buildings that are undergoing material change, which is also important. That is now captured in our building regulation.

One can never be vigilant enough, but, as I said, the Minister has started a review and is examining the overall position. I have no doubt that if extra precautions and further initiatives are needed, they will be taken.

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I know that we had a break and the nomination of the Taoiseach and so on, but even at this late stage it might be useful, if there is agreement, to have a minute's silence before the Order of Business in memory of the Grenfell Tower residents. A strong statement needs to go out from all of us in this House expressing our solidarity in the matter. It is welcome that building standards have improved and that the number of fire fatalities is low, but I am not satisfied with the Government's response to date. I have been told that, despite seeking submissions on the new building regulations and meeting some of the fire experts, the Government has ignored requests to update the fire regulations to ensure fire resistance and structural integrity between units is at the level it should be. The fire in Newbridge proved this. The buildings had been signed off on and certified as safe, yet the fire spread through eight units in 28 minutes. It should have taken 420. What we are being told by fire experts is that a huge percentage of buildings in this country are not safe because the regulations are defective and local authorities have been gutted of their ability to inspect them.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

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Lastly, a Leas-Cheann Comhairle-----

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

A minute is a minute, not a minute and a half.

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The self-certification process is not acceptable.

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As I said, this area is being reviewed by the Minister who took action immediately. He requested all local authorities to review their multistorey social housing units to ensure all early warning systems, including alarm and detection systems; emergency lighting; means of escape - a big issue in the Grenfell Tower fire; and corridors, stairways and emergency exits, were in place and fully functional. I agree with the Deputy that safety must be our first concern. A meeting of the management board of the National Directorate for Fire and Emergency Management also took place. It was convened by the Minister on Tuesday, 20 June, to assess the readiness of fire authorities to respond to emergencies.

On raising awareness among landlords, including landlords of households in receipt of social housing supports and rental assistance payments, the Minister asked the Residential Tenancies Board to notify all landlords immediately of their responsibilities and obligations to ensure their properties were fully compliant. A business control management system alert was issued to all registered users to remind those involved in works in existing or new buildings of the need to remain vigilant to ensure their compliance.

The Deputy has raised very relevant issues, as I said, not just in the United Kingdom and Ireland. I am sure that what happened in Grenfell Tower will prompt a re-evaluation internationally of the approach to fire safety, particularly in high rise buildings. Ireland should and will be no different. If what the Deputy says is true, if some people are concerned about specific issues, I hope they will bring them to the attention of the Minister immediately in order that they can form part of the review and the response to ensure extra measures will be taken, if necessary.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

The Tánaiste has taken two minutes. Deputy Mattie McGrath has three.

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