What I am about to ask again cuts to the heart of honesty in the framing of the health Estimate. I refer to section 39 organisations. What happened was fundamentally dishonest. When the public service pay determination was agreed to and new agreements were made, everybody assumed that those who worked in disability organisations and hospices would have their pay restored in line with that of HSE employees, as had always been the case. It was the case when the financial emergency measures in the public interest, FEMPI, legislation cuts were administered, as a paper trail demonstrated and proved. The Workplace Relations Commission endorsed the link between HSE employees and employees in section 39 organisations. The HSE, the Minister for Health and the Taoiseach tried to bluff in parliamentary replies and said that, as those concerned were not public servants, there could not be pay restoration. That has changed and I welcome it in so far as it is acknowledged that something has to be investigated. For the past two months we have been told that there is an issue with expenditure in the area of health. It is terrible that SIPTU and-----

Excuse me, but the one minute is up.

I will conclude. Others get an opportunity every now and again. Will the Taoiseach, please, make a determination and will the Government, please, do the right thing by the people who work in these services by including them in the pay determination for HSE employees?

The Taoiseach has one minute to give a response.

I will do my best to reply within one minute. To clarify, there are over 2,000 section 39 bodies which range from non-governmental organisations, NGOs, to companies and charities. Their staff are not Government employees or public servants. Therefore, the position has not changed. They are funded by a block grant which part funds their operations and it may range from €10,000 for a small local body to millions of euro for a large hospice.

The Taoiseach is fudging again.

They are the facts and I am sorry if the Deputy has a difficulty with them. We have looked into this matter.

We discussed hospices.

Some section 39 bodies comply with public pay policy and some do not. We have seen how some of them have paid extraordinary salaries to the top brass, bonuses and other things like them-----

We are not talking about that but about nurses, paramedics and therapists.

The Taoiseach's time is up.

Some cut pay during the recession.

What is going on is outrageous.

Some did not cut pay during the recession.

The Taoiseach's time is up.

It is outrageous. The dishonesty-----

Please, Deputy. The time the Deputy takes is not available to the other Deputies who will come after him.

This is an issue I have raised time and again.

I know that it is, but other Deputies are entitled to answers.

We have been very facilitative of other Deputies in the House for a long time.