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‹ Questions on Promised Legislation

Burned commonage farm payments

Summary

Deputy Danny Healy-Rae says farmers in Kerry have lost payments after commonage fires and argues they should be paid despite the burn damage. A long row follows over related questions, cards and interruptions, but the Taoiseach ultimately says he will raise the matter with the Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine.

Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

I go to No. 1, Deputy Danny Healy-Rae, on promised legislation or the programme for Government.

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In the programme for Government, there is a promise to protect farmers' incomes and payments. Indeed, the promise covered cases in which payments were held up for one reason or another and a consensus was arrived at that two thirds of outstanding payments would be made until the problems were sorted out. However, where commonage was burned in Kerry, some farmers received no payments at all for Christmas. They have no other income. In the fullness of time, they will win their battle because their commonage was burned from outside. They had nothing to do with the burning of the commonage. I ask the Taoiseach and the Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine to intervene to ensure these farmers get fair play. It is wrong to take their whole payment from them. They were told they would get payments in 2018. That is totally wrong.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

We will let the Taoiseach answer.

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On the same issue-----

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Does the Deputy have a card?

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Of course I have.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Show it to me.

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It is the same issue.

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Same issue also, a Leas-Cheann Comhairle.

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Stop. This is making a joke out of it altogether. It is every ten minutes.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Hold on, Deputy MacSharry.

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We have 44 Deputies here but we have Kofi Annan McGrath and Ban Ki-moon Healy-Rae up every day, undermining this country's democracy.

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That is outrageous.

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There are either 158 Deputies here or there are not.

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Do not call us names. We were elected here in our own names and we will take no rubbish from Deputy MacSharry.

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When Deputy MacSharry was looking for Seanad votes, he was damn glad to come to Kilgarvan.

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Deputy MacSharry's party is here supporting the Government and saying it has nothing to do with it.

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This is a joke. It is "Strictly Come Dancing" and they are the half-time performers.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

I am going to move on. Deputy MacSharry, control yourself.

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For Christ's sake, control them. The Business Committee of the House is a joke.

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Deputy MacSharry came into Kilgarvan.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Deputies, I will take action if it is necessary.

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Sorry, a Leas-Cheann Comhairle.

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I am going to set up the Sligo-Leitrim technical group to get a few words in here; myself and Deputies McLoughlin, Martin Kenny and Scanlon.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Listen, Deputy MacSharry. You are all shouting and circumventing the regulations.

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This is a disgrace.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

I will suspend the House.

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Suspend it if you like. It may as well be suspended. The same people have the floor all the time.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Deputy MacSharry will not speak to the Chair like that.

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I cannot speak to anybody.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

You will not speak to the Chair in that way. I will suspend the House for five minutes.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

I want to refer to the reason for the suspension which I proposed. Let me tell the House, and Members who have been here for many years will realise, that what I was doing is established practice, irrespective of cards or no cards. In regard to the cards, it is a pilot scheme until Easter, when it will be reviewed. Today, the reason I had to suspend had nothing to do with cards - absolutely nothing. If there is a related question, then it is custom and practice that it is taken. It was not a question of me showing favouritism to anybody.

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You will have to introduce red cards.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

We will proceed. There was a question from Deputy Michael Healy-Rae. Whether it is a brother or another Member from the constituency does not matter; I will treat everyone the same. It is a related issue and we stop the clock. I call Deputy Michael Healy-Rae for a very short, related question.

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On the same issue, I spoke to the Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine about these eight farmers. It is absolutely outrageous. They fought a fire to keep it out of their land. The fire brigade was fighting with them. It was coming in to them. They failed to keep it out. It came into their land and burned their land, and now their payments are stopped. It is outrageous.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

A question, please.

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Will the Taoiseach speak again to the Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine and state that these farmers are entitled to be paid?

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On the same issue, a number of farmers in Donegal were affected in the same way. I ask the Taoiseach to use his offices and work with the Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine. We had this matter before the agriculture committee last week. It is essential that these farmers get a prompt answer and that fairness is brought to the system. I note the Taoiseach looked over his shoulder when the question was first raised and I presume that was to see if the Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine was around. I know he is in Strasbourg today so he cannot be here but I would point out he is never here for this particular section.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Thank you, Deputy.

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With new politics, it is important that Ministers are here to account for promised legislation. I could count on one hand the number of times the Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine has been here. The Taoiseach might raise that with him to try to ensure there is better attendance.

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On the same issue-----

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Has Deputy McLoughlin a card? If not, he does not qualify. Deputy McConalogue had a card.

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Sent off. Red card.

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Will you not let me raise the question?

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

No. I made it very clear. If the cards were not in operation, you would have no problem, but cards are in operation. I call the Taoiseach to respond to the questions on agriculture. Will he meet the Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine?

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

I am afraid I do not have any specific information on the matter but I will raise it with the Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine.

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