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Dáil
‹ Leaders' Questions

JobPath performance and fraud

Summary

Murphy returned to JobPath, saying it had failed to get people jobs and asking what was being done about possible fraud by the contractors. The Taoiseach said participants have a complaints route, explained the payment model, and defended JobPath by linking it to falling unemployment, while sparring repeatedly with Murphy and other Members.

It is like Deputy Enda Kenny is back. The Taoiseach managed not to answer the question at all. Instead he attacked something which I did not say and then went on an ideological attack about Venezuela. I think he might have even referenced Colombia and Greece.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

Colombia is where the refugees are.

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Let us go back to the question. The question is on the Government's JobPath scheme, which has failed in its stated aim of getting jobs for people. That is what the facts now demonstrate. Only 18% of participants get jobs, which is no higher than the rate for people who do not have access to JobPath. These companies have been accused of fraud in Britain. What is the Taoiseach doing to make sure that they are not engaged in fraud here? To deal with the curveball which the Taoiseach has thrown, which is that he will stand over and double down on his rhetoric about welfare fraud, the Taoiseach gave the figure of €40 million two minutes ago, but his advertising campaign said €500 million. Which is it? Who is engaged in fraud here?

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It is the spin machine.

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The Taoiseach is engaged in fraud against unemployed people and is using public money to demonise them in order to drive precarious employment. He is continuing in that same Thatcherite vein here. Will he please answer the question asked in respect of JobPath?

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

I said that even the lowest estimate is €40 million. I note the Deputy has not refuted that.

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What is the actual figure?

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

The figure of €500 million was what it said on the tin, that is fraud and control. Fraud and control. They are two different things.

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It was the Department's Brexit bus.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

On the whole issue of JobPath, we must look at the counterfactual analysis. People who are long-term unemployed can be referred down a number of different routes. They can have assistance through the Intreo service provided by the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection; they can be assisted through JobPath, which is outsourced to two companies; or they can be referred to bodies such as local employment schemes, for example. It is interesting to compare counterfactually how people perform under those different headings. There is a complaints procedure in place. If participants feel that they are not getting a proper service from JobPath, they can make a complaint directly to the company. If they are not satisfied with the response, they can go to the Department and make a complaint through its procedures.

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They would be wasting their time.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

It is important to note how the companies are paid. They get a registration fee per client referred to them but after that they only get paid if the person gets a full-time job and sustains it. The incentive is there for the companies not just to get people into any old job, but to get them into full-time jobs which they can sustain for more than 13 weeks. The longer the person keeps that job, the more the company gets paid. Its strength is in its results. Unemployment is now falling below 6% and long-term unemployment is now below 3%.

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The Government's own figures dispute that.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

Where would we be today if the policies of the hard left had been followed in this country?

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We would not have vulture funds dealing with public banks.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

There would be mass unemployment and mass emigration.

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