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Dáil
‹ Order of Business

CervicalCheck scoping inquiry and motion procedure

Summary

Deputy Boyd Barrett objected to the handling of the all-party health discussions and pressed for scrutiny of the CervicalCheck response and promised test figures. The Ceann Comhairle ruled this was not a debate on that issue, Mattie McGrath thanked him for the clarification on the Rural Independent motion, and the Minister said Opposition submissions had informed the inquiry terms of reference and would be passed on.

Whatever about the technical judgment and whether this issue can be raised by way of an amendment, we object to it and we expressed dissatisfaction with the decisions that were made following the meeting last week of different parties. Our delegate, Deputy Bríd Smith, indicated that she was unhappy that the course that was proposed to deal with cervical-----

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Is the Deputy referring to a meeting that took place of health spokespersons and the Minister for Health?

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That is not something that arises on the Order of Business.

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The point is that we think those matters, the plan of action set out by the Government, should be discussed and scrutinised in this House. We are certainly not happy with it. I want to register that last week in the all-party Oireachtas Joint Committee on Health we asked Mr. Tony O'Brien direct questions about figures on the accuracy and detection of smear tests in the different labs. It was first said that the results could not be given to us. Then it was said the results would be referred to as A, B and C. Finally, Mr. O'Brien said that we would be given the figures. We still have not seen them. The Government is saying that will all be dealt with by the scoping inquiry and the commission of investigation-----

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We cannot have a debate on this, Deputy Boyd Barrett.

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Yes, but there are certain facts that should be in the public domain now because Mr. Tony O'Brien told us he would give them to us.

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The only facts-----

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He has not given them to us and that is why we want a debate.

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Deputy, please. The only fact we are debating here is the proposed Order of Business for today, Tuesday. That is all we are debating.

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I am not happy with the Order because these questions are not being answered.

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We will ask the Government to respond to that in just a second. I call Deputy Mattie McGrath.

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On behalf of the Rural Independent Group, and Dr. Michael Harty who did most of the work on the motion, I thank the Ceann Comhairle for the clarification. We were never asked at any stage would we be open to having an amendment or any discussion or debate. Our motion was submitted before this crisis arose and that is why it is the way it is. I am glad of the clarification and I hope it is clear that we did not have any way to stop any motion of no confidence or otherwise being imposed.

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Simon Harris Minister for Health Fine Gael

We had an excellent meeting with the Opposition spokespersons on health and others last week. With the exception of Deputy Bríd Smith, who would say the same thing if she were here, there was a consensus in terms of the approach we should take in regard to it. All of the Opposition submissions - two members of Deputy Boyd Barrett's group made submissions - were taken on board in the framing of the terms of reference. We will not stop at that. We will also give the submissions to the Chair of the scoping inquiry. I agree with Deputy Boyd Barrett. Let me be clear. That should not stop the HSE providing information to the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Health. It should do that forthwith and I will follow up with it.

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Are the proposals for dealing with today's business agreed to? Agreed. Finally, is the proposal for dealing with Wednesday's business agreed to? Agreed. I thank Deputies for their co-operation.

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