Eighth amendment referendum
Deputy Doherty and Deputy Howlin urge a Yes vote in the referendum, stressing women’s stories, the need to end the exile of women for healthcare, and the broader consequences of retaining the eighth amendment. The Tánaiste supports repeal, argues Ireland must confront the issue with honesty and compassion, and links the debate to better women’s healthcare and screening transparency.
It is now less than 24 hours before people go to the polls across the State and have their say on the continued presence of the eighth amendment in our Constitution. We are mindful that voting is already under way on our offshore islands. Many will have engaged with the arguments and propositions made during the referendum campaign and have now made up their minds on how they intend to vote.
I commend and thank all those who were involved in the "Yes" campaign for the job they have done. In the face of dishonest claims peddled by some on the "No" side, they have remained grounded in facts in making their case. They have illustrated accurately and honestly the pain and trauma that the eighth amendment has visited on women for many decades. They have articulated in a very caring and compassionate way the circumstances in which women should be allowed to end their pregnancies. That has not been easy in the face of some of the tactics of the "No" campaign. More than that, however, they have made this campaign about those we love: our wives, daughters, sisters, mothers, colleagues and friends. They need and deserve our compassion. They also deserve our trust, our trust in them to make medical decisions about their own bodies in their own interest. Tomorrow they need our vote. We all know that women in crisis situations, including victims of rape, those whose health is at serious risk, and those who receive the awful diagnosis that their baby has no chance of survival, are already travelling week in, week out to have an abortion in another country, or are taking abortion pills in this country without medical supervision. A "No" vote tomorrow will not stop that but a "Yes" vote can.
Tomorrow's vote is about people, families, a woman's access to proper healthcare and an outdated, ill-fated constitutional provision that criminalises tragedy. That is the sum of it. The eighth amendment must go. The women of this State deserve to live in a compassionate and caring country that does not turn its back on them at a time when they need our care and support the most. Will the Tánaiste agree with me that voting "Yes" tomorrow is the right thing to do for women and girls in this country? Will he join me in making a particular appeal to men to go out and vote "Yes" tomorrow? As men and by dint of birth, we will never become pregnant but our loved ones - our wives, daughters, sisters and mothers - deserve our trust, our compassion and our support. Tomorrow, we cannot let them down.
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I want to endorse everything the Deputy said. I believe that, tomorrow, Ireland will make a decision that will have real consequences in terms of how Irish society moves forward. We have an opportunity to address the secrecy, the stigma and, in many ways, the hypocrisy of the way Ireland has dealt with the issue of abortion for most of my lifetime. We have effectively allowed a situation where it is okay to give somebody an address in Manchester or Birmingham and send them on their way on their own but it is not okay to look after them here. We hear arguments to the effect that the Constitution requires us to maintain certain laws that criminalise women for ending pregnancies but perhaps the answer is not to enforce that law because it would be too cruel and not appropriate.
We face a choice tomorrow, and I have to say I have been hugely impressed by the way the Irish people have responded to this challenge. This has been a two year discussion, not a month long one. It started with a Citizens' Assembly that made recommendations that forced me to think about my own views on this issue and confront my own views on the issue that were somehow settled before those arguments were made. I believe I represent a lot of men and many people in this country who for many years have tried to crystallise this debate into pro-life versus pro-choice, believing that by maintaining the current constitutional wording we were somehow protecting unborn children.
What the discussion in the past two years has shown is that that is simply not true when we look at the facts and the data and hear the stories of many of the women who were brave enough to come out and tell intimate stories about their own trauma, vulnerability and tragedy and having to face that on their own wandering the streets of Birmingham for six hours. The issue around the role of men in this choice tomorrow is to try to see that story through the eyes of somebody close to them. I believe if they do that, the way in which they view this issue will change, as it has for me.
From the conversations I have had, predominantly private ones, we have seen a serious consideration by the Irish people in this time of preparation for the vote tomorrow in terms of the Citizens' Assembly, the all-party Oireachtas committee, a Cabinet decision and now a people's decision.
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I believe the vote tomorrow will be one that has been considered deeply by people and on the basis of that consideration based on facts, I believe they will vote "Yes".
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I want to take this chance to thank the Tánaiste personally for his approach to this matter but, more importantly, I want to thank all the women who shared their stories, both publicly and privately, with us and those on the "Yes" campaign and, in doing so, have shifted public opinion on this issue. It is a matter of deep regret that it took personal stories and tragedy to be shared with others in some of the most public ways to ensure that shift of opinion took place.
We know that the "No" side has been using a tactic in the past week in which they are claiming there is a better way to deal with the so-called hard cases, those very real cases where women find themselves pregnant as a result of rape or get a diagnosis of fatal foetal anomaly. They tell us that can be dealt with in the current constitutional context. We know that is patently untrue. We also know that is a tactic to try to sow confusion in the last week of the debate. Will the Tánaiste join me in categorically stating that the only way to show compassion to women in these circumstances is to vote "Yes" on Friday and to repeal the eighth amendment?
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Is it not time now to say as a nation and as a society that we will no longer tolerate the exiling of women to foreign jurisdictions at a time of crisis?
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I am glad the Deputy raised the issue of hard cases because as the Taoiseach said earlier this week, it is hard law that makes these hard cases. It is the fact that we refused to face up to the vulnerability, trauma and appeals for help that many women have asked for and who were sent abroad to deal with that those of us in this House have been thinking about how we can respond to that appropriately. If it was easy to deal with hard cases, I believe we would have had some credible proposals in that regard during the past 35 years. Certainly, the idea that there is any credibility on the part of people who are advocating in the past 24 hours to deal with hard cases on their own and not take the approach that has been the result of two years of consultation and scrutiny is, as the Deputy said, an attempt at distraction and confusion as opposed to a real proposal.
I say to Irish people listening to these proceedings who are trying to make up their mind and are conflicted in terms of the morality of these issues that many of us have been through those thought processes and the conversations that follow. Can I reassure them that from the perspective of the Government and that of the majority in this House, we are proceeding here in the only way that is possible to respond comprehensively in a compassionate way to the challenges that many Irish women will face in the future?
I listened to Saoirse Long last night.
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In terms of anybody doubting the issues we need to face up to, was that a hard case in the category of the "No" side? Was that a case to which this State does not need to respond in a more comprehensive way than we did?
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It is these cases which have crystallised the views of most people in Ireland who want to face up to this issue with more honesty and more compassion in the future. Hopefully, it will allow many of us, a majority, to vote "Yes" tomorrow to allow this House take on our responsibilities to introduce appropriate legislation that can care for women and also take on our responsibilities towards the unborn but, in particular, to care for women in a way that we have not been able to do for the past 34 years.
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Tomorrow, the Irish people will have the opportunity to vote either to repeal or retain the eighth amendment. It is essential now to reiterate that no change in our law is possible unless people vote "Yes" tomorrow to repeal the amendment. The last minute scramble by some in the past 48 hours to suggest that it is possible is an attempt at a con job about which we have to be very clear.
The campaign is drawing to a close but whatever the result, the focus will remain on women's health. The scandal that has engulfed CervicalCheck shows a need for the Government to go back to basics on public health information. Through this scandal we have learned more about the science of screening and the limits of that science.
We have also seen the human side and how false negative results have led to terrible family tragedies. It would be an appalling outcome if people stopped believing in the efficacy of screening and stopped attending for screening. Screening and vaccination programmes have been incredibly important in reducing serious illness and premature death. They are imperfect tools but if done properly and properly funded, they are tools that undoubtedly save many lives. Scandals such as that involving CervicalCheck do not just affect a small number of women. They affect all women and men because they undermine public confidence in screening in general. They naturally cause concern. Sadly, cervical cancer claims around 90 women's lives every year in Ireland.
It is heartening to think that if the right public health policies are pursued, the potential is there to eradicate most cases of that disease. A report from the co-creator of the HPV vaccine, Dr. Ian Frazer, argues that most cases of cervical cancer could be eliminated over a period of time if a thorough vaccination programme was implemented. I am glad the Minister for Health agreed a Labour Party motion earlier this year to extend the HPV vaccine to boys as well as girls, which was one of the recommendations made by Dr. Frazer. It is a positive take up of that vaccine that could make an extraordinary difference yet rolling out the vaccine is not enough. We know that the national uptake of vaccines fell by 3% last year. This involves vaccines such as the ones that prevent tetanus and diphtheria and puts children's lives at risk. Common childhood diseases such as measles are coming back. These are not minor diseases. Before vaccination, 2.5 million people died from measles annually worldwide. We saw an outbreak of 1,600 cases of measles last year in Dublin resulting in three deaths.
There is a pressing need to restore public confidence and full participation across all our screening and vaccination programmes. Does the Government accept that this is the case? Specifically, what will the Government do? Does the Tánaiste agree that a co-ordinated and clear campaign of action to restore confidence in both our screening systems and increase the uptake of vaccination is now urgently required?
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The Deputy is right. If the people decide to vote "No" tomorrow, what they are essentially saying is that we can change nothing, that Ireland is frozen in time on this issue. We heard stories such as that from Saoirse last night and many others who in an effort to change things, have told their own stories, often in very painful circumstances. We will hear more of those stories in two, five and ten years time. That is not okay for me. I do not believe it is okay for most people in this country any longer, which is why I believe people will vote "Yes" tomorrow but nobody can take that for granted. We will continue to campaign right the way through the day and into tomorrow. To be clear because some people seem to be suggesting again, and in my view spreading untruths, that somehow we can change things and change the law in terms of penalties and so on without changing the Constitution: that is not the advice of the Attorney General or the previous one so we must be honest and up-front with people that if they vote "No" tomorrow, no further change is possible to help and support women who find themselves in awful, difficult and vulnerable situations in a compassionate way and we will continue to send them on a flight to Birmingham and Manchester. People should think about that before they vote tomorrow. As the Taoiseach also said, regardless of the outcome tomorrow, if people vote "Yes", we will still have a country that is compassionate and that cares about family and children in the same way we did before-----
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But we will simply be recognising a reality that for the past 35 years has been in the shadows whereby many women have to keep their stories secret and we send them abroad to get basic healthcare needs.
In terms of confidence in both screening systems and vaccinations, it is important to say that if one looks at CervicalCheck and BreastCheck, by international standards we have very high uptakes. A total of 80% of Irish women have used CervicalCheck while about 74% of Irish women participate in BreastCheck. Those figures are high by international standards and we need to maintain that. This is why in the response to the CervicalCheck scandal, we have prioritised looking after victims of that scandal first and foremost. We are absolutely committed to exposing what happened fully, who made the decisions and when so that we learn lessons in terms of full accountability. On the back of that, we want to ensure that we build confidence in this system in the future so that we can ensure that Irish people get the full benefit of screening programmes as indeed they should from vaccination programmes where people should listen to their doctor rather than what they might read on social media on the impact of vaccinations.
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I agree with the Tánaiste. I think the most impactive thing for me in the campaign over the past number of months was the personal stories that complete strangers would tell you on the doorstep much less in public fora. People, I could name them, came to meetings around the country and in my constituency of Wexford to talk and share their experiences for the first time. Those stories cannot be untold. They cannot be unsaid. They cannot be hidden again and they cannot be ignored again. The only way to address them properly is, obviously, a "Yes" vote.
A campaign on vaccination and screening is required. It is good to say there is strong uptake but it will be undermined if people's concerns are not addressed. The Government needs to step up and understand that and promote and explain screening. That can only be done by complete transparency and open disclosure and by addressing the issue of anybody who actually has been wronged by a system through a non-adversarial system of redress.
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The truth is that this is already underway. If the Deputy talks to the Minister for Health about this issue, he will learn that there is effectively already a campaign advocating the use of vaccines like the HPV vaccine. We have seen a significant increase in the uptake from girls. Indeed we have been looking at ways in which we can extend that and add to and reinforce that message. In terms of the follow on from the CervicalCheck scandal in particular, we know there is a big obligation on the Government and Department on the back of full accountability and transparency in terms of what went wrong and that there is a need for a campaign to reassure and educate people about why screening is such an advance in terms of a medical response to early diagnosis of cancer and early treatment that can save lives. We are very much aware of that and I agree with everything the Deputy said about it.