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Tax enforcement and Deputy Lowry

Summary

Ruth Coppinger attacked weak tax penalties and raised a recent court case involving a Dáil Member, prompting procedural warnings from the Chair. The Taoiseach said tax offences are serious, that courts decide sentences, and repeatedly defended separation of powers while opposition Deputies accused him of protecting a tax cheat.

There is a reference in the programme for Government to improving tax compliance. I wonder whether, rather than just referring to this, the Government will introduce legal reforms following yesterday's court judgment whereby a Member of the Dáil was sentenced for filing false tax returns, failing to keep proper company accounts and falsifying accounts and yet received a chicken feed fine in the context of his wealth and a pat on the back from the judge rather than a rap on the knuckles, saying he was a great Deputy. What we are seeing is one law for the rich and another for the poor. That is the conclusion of workers throughout the country following this case. What reforms will the Taoiseach make on tax compliance?

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

The Deputy cannot refer to court judgments.

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Is the Taoiseach going to oblige judges not to give their personal opinions about one of their own but actually to prosecute serial tax offenders and tax evaders?

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

The Deputy cannot refer to court judgments or make statements such as that which she has just made. I am warning the Deputy. If the Taoiseach wants to respond, he may do so. If he does not wish to do so, however, I will have no difficulty.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

Tax offences and tax crimes are serious crimes in my view and in that of the Government. When people commit tax offences, they are not just taking money from one person; they are taking money from all society. In the case of Deputy Lowry, he got a fair trial-----

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Did he get a fair sentence, though?

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

-----and as a result of that there was a conviction and a barring from holding directorships and also a fine. It is for the courts to hear cases-----

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Absolutely. I said that.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

-----and to make those decisions. We are a democracy; we are not the people's socialist republic. We are politicians.

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The Deputy in question was found guilty but he did not get a sentence.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Deputy Coppinger, please.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

We are not going to overrule judges.

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Obviously, the Taoiseach does not care.

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Deputy Coppinger is not a judge; she is a Member of the House.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Hold on, I said that. It is a matter for the courts.

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The Government is happy to have him support it.

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Roll on the people's socialist republic.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

We are a democracy and we have a separation of powers.

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A drug addict would be in jail. That is my point.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

It is not Soviet Russia.

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The Taoiseach is happy to have a tax cheat support him.

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