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‹ Ceisteanna ar Reachtaíocht a Gealladh - Questions on Promised Legislation

National children’s hospital overrun

Summary

Deputy John Brassil and then Deputies Kelleher and Mattie McGrath challenged the Government over the children’s hospital overspend, the timing of the PwC review and wider capital consequences. The Minister defended the decision to proceed, said the review and budget figures clarified the position, and warned against abandoning the hospital project.

The question I wish to raise in the context of the programme for Government relates to the delivery of the national children’s hospital. On 18 August last, the Government was informed that there would be substantial overruns in the budget. In November, the Government was made aware of the board’s recommendation to accept the €450 million overrun and it signed off on that in December. This month, following a public outcry, it was announced that PricewaterhouseCoopers, PwC was to carry out a review at a coast of €500,000 approximately. Why was the review by PwC not ordered in August when the Minister for Health was first made aware of the overruns and when something could possibly have been done about it? Now that we have signed off on the €450 million, we are at the point of no return.

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I call Deputy Kelleher on the same matter.

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There is a €1 billion overrun in respect of the national children's hospital, a tax cut of €3 billion promised by the Taoiseach and a report published by the Department of Finance yesterday indicating that 55,000 thousands jobs could be lost in the context of a no-deal or very damaging Brexit. Will the Taoiseach accept that it is time to be honest about which capital projects will run into difficulties because of his promise to cut tax and the overspend in respect of the national children's hospital? The metro project has been mentioned. What other potential capital projects will or could be shelved? Has the Government begun to identify those which may be shelved? Bearing in mind that we are entering into an electoral cycle - I am sure the Members opposite would not want to be the bearers of bad news - honesty on the issue would be very much appreciated.

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I call Deputy Mattie McGrath on the same issue.

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The Rural Independents tabled a motion on 29 March 2017. We pointed out all the failures. We were in profit as it turned out, but we never claimed to be. The Fianna Fáil members sat on their hands and abstained during the vote on it, while Sinn Féin and the Labour Party backed the Government, therefore, the overrun, the scandal and they way it will affect every hospital is on all their heads.

As for Deputy Brassil attacking Deputy Danny Healy-Rae, we are entitled during Leaders' Question to ask about whatever issue we want. We do not accuse Fianna Fáil in that regard. Whatever issue Fianna Fáil wishes to ask about during Leaders' Questions, that is its business. We are entitled to pose our questions during Leaders' Questions. It is tough luck but the Deputy is not a leader.

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This is not Leaders' Questions, as I stated.

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I know it is not but we are entitled to raise our questions.

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Deputies, please. I call the Minister.

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In the interest of----

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Why is the Deputy Kelleher going to Europe? It is because he is not leadership-----

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Stop it.

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A Deputy

In fairness, the Deputy jumped before the gun.

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He is jumping a sinking ship. There are no prospects for him here.

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The Deputy is bringing the House into disrepute.

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Those Deputies sat on their hands-----

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Will the Deputy allow the Minister to answer?

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In the interests of clarity, the report I published yesterday indicates that more jobs will be created in our economy in the future. However, it also acknowledges that significantly fewer jobs will be created. In fact, it states that 55,000 fewer jobs will be created if we end up with a no-deal scenario. Given that some people called on the Government to be clear in the context of what it believes might happen in a no-deal scenario, that is exactly what we have done.

On the point relating to the national children's hospital, I am currently working with all my Government colleagues on how the cost will be managed. It is worth making the point that the total amount of money we are dealing with across all of Government for this year is €50 million. That is outside of the Department of Health and in the context of capital spending for this year increasing by €1.4 billion. This issue will be dealt with.

Deputy Kelleher referred to accountability. The Government is considering how we can best bring the matter to a conclusion. We have to be fair to everybody. On the sequencing to which the Deputy referred, it is important to emphasise that the first priority we had was to make a decision regarding the national children's hospital-----

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-----which we have done. Like the Minister for Health, Deputy Harris, I strongly believe that if we had not made the decision, we would not have a national children's hospital available for a number of years to come. Those who would suffer on foot of that would be children.

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