Climate Bill delay and fossil fuel policy
Bríd Smith accuses the Government of blocking the Climate Emergency Measures Bill and using procedural tactics to stall it, while Richard Boyd Barrett backs her criticisms. The Taoiseach says the Government has taken substantial climate action, defends gas and energy-security arguments, insists committee procedure is for the committee, and repeatedly rebukes the far left for politicising the issue. The exchanges end with Catherine Martin interjecting that he does not care about the environment.
It seems to be a day to express no confidence in the Government, given the motion to be debated later on the Minister for Health, but I have absolutely no confidence in the Government to do anything meaningful to deal with the biggest challenge facing humanity - climate change. Yesterday the Minister for Communications, Climate Action and Environment and the Chairman of the climate "inaction" committee yet again held hostage a Bill that was supported overwhelmingly in this House last February. The Petroleum and Other Minerals Development (Amendment) (Climate Emergency Measures) Bill 2018 sets out to ban the issuing of further fossil fuel exploration licences off our shores. It seeks to do so because science has long settled on the understanding that, as people who inhabit the planet, we should leave 80% of known, proven reserves of fossil fuels in the ground. There is a widespread movement screaming at governments globally to leave them in the ground. We have seen evidence of this, with young people outside the gates weekly baying at the Government to do something about climate change. We are to see a global strike of schoolchildren on 15 March. To cite one very inspiring school student from Sweden, Greta Thunberg: "I want you to panic." She wants governments to feel the fear young people feel every day of their lives when they wake up because we are stealing their futures, unless we challenge the fossil fuel industry. The Bill would help to contribute to a global movement, not just in Ireland.
There is no fooling nature. It understands we are overheating the planet and that we are hurtling towards a global rise in temperature of 2°C. That is why the Bill proposes radical measures to deal with the issue and this House overwhelmingly supprted its move to Second Stage. In an act of incredible hypocrisy there is procedural trickery taking place at the climate "inaction" committee.
This trickery is allowing the Minister of State, Deputy Canney, and the Chairman to vote to hold onto that Bill as if it was their little baby, to keep it hostage, and to not allow it to move forward when they already voted for the motion I put yesterday to lay a report before this House and to allow the Bill to proceed to the select committee in order that everybody can come in and amend and change it. The Bill is about doing something meaningful, courageous and even trailblazing. When the Taoiseach himself has accused us of being laggards when it comes to climate change, why does he not now use his power and instruct his Minister and the Chairman to let the Bill go and to release it so that we can become a leader in climate action instead of a laggard?
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I thank the Deputy. I believe our duty as a Government and as politicians is to make sure that we pass our planet on to our children and grandchildren in a better state than we found it and that means taking action on climate change and protecting the environment. We have taken a lot of action in recent years. For example, there is legislation working its way through the House at present to outlaw the use of microbeads and certain plastics. We passed legislation last year to prevent the Government and Government investment funds from investing in the hydrocarbon industry. We have taken measures to support renewable energy, to take coal off the grid by the end of the decade and to take peat off the grid. Other actions under way include the fact that from this summer, all new buses bought by Dublin Bus or Bus Éireann in our cities will be low-emission or no-emission vehicles. We are taking climate action both as an Oireachtas and as a Government.
On this particular issue, the Deputy has it wrong in terms of climate action, energy security and the economy. The truth is that we will need natural gas and oil as transition fuels for the foreseeable future, whether to fuel aircraft so that they can fly, to produce plastics necessary for medical devices or to power our towns, cities and industries when the wind is not blowing and the sun is not shining. Most people who are interested in climate science understand that natural gas is a transitional fuel and that we will need it as part of our energy mix for the foreseeable future if not for decades to come. The question is therefore, if we have our own natural gas, should we use it or should we import it? Of course, importing it as opposed to using our own is worse for the environment because the gas we might import from the United States is very often shale gas, which is much more damaging to the environment than our own natural gas from Corrib. Some of the gas we import from Russia or eastern Europe gets lost along the way, so it is actually worse for the environment to import gas from the US, Russia or Venezuela than to use our own gas. From a climate science point of view, the Deputy's proposal is wrong-headed. Second, there is the issue of energy security. Do we want to use the gas we have or would we prefer to import it from Canada, the United States, Venezuela, Russia and the Middle East?
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Excuses, excuses.
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Perhaps the Deputy would like that, but it is my view that it is wrong-headed. If we have our own natural gas we should use it and should not be dependent on Russia, countries in the Middle East and Venezuela for our energy needs. Third is the issue of imports and exports. Surely it makes more sense to use our taxpayers' money and our people's money on things like public services than on importing oil and gas from other countries.
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I would dearly love to have this debate with the Taoiseach's party and with every other Deputy in this Dáil. That is why I want the Taoiseach to tell his Ministers to let go of the Bill and to let it go to the select committee where we can have precisely the type of debate the Taoiseach is trying to engage in with me here. The Taoiseach did not answer the question I asked. I am asking him why procedural trickery is being used by the Minister of State and the Chairman in order to hold the Bill in limbo when there is no justification for doing so under Standing Orders. There is no precedent in Dáil Éireann to carry out such administrative trickery in respect of a Bill which should proceed. I believe the reason the Taoiseach is doing this is that he is wed to fossil fuel industry. Last February, after this Bill passed Second Stage, the chief executive officer of Providence Resources, Tony O'Reilly Jnr., wrote to the then Minister saying he was deeply concerned and that he wanted the Government to deal urgently with the question of this Bill. The Taoiseach is wedded to the fossil fuel industry and he is dancing to its merry tune rather than to the tune of the young people who will go on strike on 15 March and who will be outside the gate of this House consistently to demand that something meaningful happen. Will the Taoiseach tell his Minister of State to get that Bill out of limbo, to stop breaking Standing Orders, to follow procedures correctly and legally, as they should be followed, and to allow the Bill go to the select committee where we can have the debate the Taoiseach wants to have here now?
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I note the Deputy did not actually address any of my substantive arguments around climate science, around-----
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I want to do that on Committee Stage.
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I note the Deputy did not answer any of my substantive arguments around climate science, import substitution-----
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The Taoiseach did not address the Deputy's arguments about holding the Bill hostage.
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I am the one asking the questions of the Taoiseach. He did not answer my questions.
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Her question was entirely a procedural question. As the Deputy should be well aware, the procedures of a committee-----
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It is the Taoiseach's Minister of State and his Chairman.
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-----are a matter for the committee. If the Deputy has a question for the Chairman of the committee-----
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It has nothing to do with Members from the Taoiseach's party or with his Ministers. Will the Taoiseach give us a break?
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The Taoiseach's Government and his Ministers are holding this Bill hostage. The Taoiseach can admit it and do something about it or answer to the young people of this country.
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I am not heckling. I am speaking in a loud voice because my microphone was turned off.
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The Deputy should try to be constructive around the issue of climate change and climate action. I understand that she offended the Senators at the committee, which is one of the reasons she found it difficult to get support for her Bill. She does not really want it passed.
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Those Senators were not even there for the debate.
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The Senators did not even bother attending pre-legislative scrutiny to hear the debate.
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As is always the case, the far left does not actually want to solve any problems. They want to politicise problems so that they can get airtime, attention, likes, retweets and all of the rest of it.
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I advise the Deputy to work harder, to be respectful and polite to colleagues, to try to build support for her Bill, to try to build a coalition for it-----
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I will not grovel to people who came in deliberately to stop the Bill proceeding. They are disgraceful.
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-----and to work much harder at the Joint Committee on Climate Action on the issue of carbon tax. The truth is that the far left has no interest in climate change. It just wants to do this stuff.
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The Taoiseach is using Senators and Deputy Lowry to play the tune of the fossil fuel industry. That is exactly what he is doing. It is disgraceful.
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The Taoiseach certainly does not care about the environment.