Mother and baby homes report
The Chair sorts speaking order before Catherine Connolly calls for a full debate on the mother and baby homes report. The Taoiseach says the institutions are long closed but the issue remains live for survivors, and he urges anyone with information to come forward.
Let me make this very clear. There are those who think they should be allowed to speak in advance of others. Fianna Fáil, Sinn Féin, Labour, Independents 4 Change and Solidarity are all parties. After them, we have the Rural Independent Group, which is a technical group of seven Deputies, one more than Solidarity-People Before Profit.
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Independents 4 Change is not a party.
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If the Deputy can wait another few minutes and if he is not in a rush, he will be given an opportunity. I just want to-----
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To be helpful, Solidarity has always been before us.
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I am just being helpful.
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That is fine. The Social Democrats have the final spot. I am just clarifying the situation.
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Following on from Deputy McDonald's comments on the mother and baby homes report, I also request a full debate and not just questions and answers. The Taoiseach has spoken about this as if it in the past. It is not in the past. I spent two hours reading the report and I will go back and read it in detail. The report states: "The Commission is surprised by the lack of knowledge about the burials on the part of Galway County Council and the Sisters of Bon Secours." That was published just today. The affidavit sworn in respect of Castlepollard, Sean Ross and Bessborough by the congregation "was, in many respects, speculative, inaccurate and misleading."
I could give many quotations but I will not in the interest of brevity. I will just state again this is not in the past. It is the present where the commission has to use discovery orders and is surprised at the lack of knowledge and the failure to hand over documents. I ask the Taoiseach to please stop talking about this matter as if it is in the past. Let us get this issue into the Dáil and have an open and frank debate. That debate should not just be on the bodies hidden in sewage in chambers under the ground but on knowledge that has been hidden as well.
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I meant to say that these were events that happened in the past. All of these institutions are closed and have been closed for quite some time now. It is still, of course, a real issue, a live issue and a lived experience for those who were in those institutions. I join the Minister for Children and Youth Affairs, Deputy Zappone, in calling on anyone who has information that would be of use to the commission of inquiry to come forward with that. The fifth interim report published today is not the final say on this issue. The work of the commission is ongoing and it expects to produce a final report next spring. We must allow the commission to do its work without political interference. Those who have information, however, should bring it forward and allow the commission to analyse it.