It is also the case, as the House is well aware, that rulings of the Chair, as from all of my predecessors, must be accepted and cannot be challenged and debated on the floor of the House. In fact, we have given more than 20 minutes to a debate I probably should not have allowed-----

According to the Constitution we have the right to write our own rules.

-----but I am anxious for people to have their say.

What about Article 15.10 of the Constitution?

We are going to proceed.

A Cheann Comhairle, can you please explain to me how your ruling is not conflicting with Article 15.10 of the Constitution that states: "Each House shall make its own rules and standing orders"?

I am not getting involved in a further debate.

You are saying we are not allowed to do that and that you can decide the House is not allowed to do what the Constitution says it is allowed to do.

Please do not be obstructive.

I am not. I am asking you to explain that.

Please do not be obstructive.

I am not being obstructive.

Please do not. Resume your seat.

Our motion is being obstructed.

The Ceann Comhairle is the one being obstructive.

Will you resume your seat?

Can you explain that?

Are the Members willing to accept that we would convene this afternoon a meeting of the Dáil reform committee to hear the arguments on this, which we will do? We will ask for the legal advice to be provided through the Clerk of the Dáil to that meeting. Will you accept that?