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‹ Ceisteanna ó Cheannairí - Leaders' Questions

Fracked gas and democratic process

Summary

Mick Barry presses for a freeze on fracked-gas import plans and the Taoiseach’s comments provoke a prolonged row about democracy, Venezuela, Cuba, and withdrawal of remarks. After repeated interruptions and points of order, the Taoiseach says any Cork application would go through the normal planning system and that the legality of banning fracked-gas imports will be checked.

The Government banned onshore fracking under pressure from not only Deputies in this House but the wider movement in society. Unfortunately, the Government did not back amendments from left-wing Deputies to ban offshore fracking, which should be done as well. The Government has indicated support for the project in Shannon, but said it will not proceed, pending an energy review. Will all work related to the importation of fracked gas be frozen while this energy review takes place? If Next Decade submits a planning application for a floating storage regasification unit at Whitegate in Cork Harbour while this review is taking place, will the application be processed or frozen? The Taoiseach should be able to answer that because it is a Government review. Unless it changes course, the Government will walk into a storm on this issue. More than 2,000 people have already signed a "Not Here, Not Anywhere" petition against fracked gas in Cork Harbour. If a planning application goes ahead, it could and should be a signal for that campaign to move from cyberspace to the streets.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

We live in a democracy, although the Deputy is at best ambiguous about his support for that concept.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

No. Deputy Barry has been very supportive of far-left regimes in Venezuela, Cuba and other places, which are not democratic.

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The Taoiseach should withdraw his comment.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Deputy Barry, please.

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The Leas-Cheann Comhairle should ask the Taoiseach to withdraw that comment.

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The Taoiseach should withdraw the comment.

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This is a democratic Chamber.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

It is a political charge.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

If the Deputy condemns Venezuela, I will withdraw the remark.

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The Government has blocked 55 Bills but it claims to be democratic.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Political charges are admissible. It is a political charge.

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On a point of information-----

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Cuba and Venezuela are bastions of democracy.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

There are no points of information or points of order during Leaders' Questions.

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On a point of information-----

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

There is no such thing as a point of information-----

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

------or a point of order during Leaders' Questions. Perhaps the Deputy will acquaint himself with Standing Orders.

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Socialists in this country fought for democratic rights

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Deputy Barry did not do so.

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The supporters of capitalism have condemned-----

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

The Deputy should take an opportunity to acquaint himself with Standing Orders. We will move on.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

I will be happy to withdraw the remark if the Deputy can show me evidence of his campaign for free and fair elections in Cuba and Venezuela.

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Members of the Taoiseach's party in the 1930s were Blueshirts. The cheek of the Taoiseach.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Peace has broken out.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

I am not talking about the 1930s; I am talking about now.

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Fine Gael has a basis in fascism.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

I am not talking about Lenin, Bolsheviks, gulags, Stalin or anyone or anything else the Deputies admire. I am talking about now.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

There should be no more interventions.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

He is withdrawing it.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

I would like to answer the question.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

It would be helpful if there was silence. Deputies should listen to the Taoiseach.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

I am forever trying to answer questions between interruptions.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

The Taoiseach suggested that he might withdraw the remark.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

I will.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Will he do so unconditionally?

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

Certainly not. To answer the Deputy's question, we live in a democracy and have an independent planning process. If an application is made, it must go to Cork City Council or Cork County Council or directly to An Bord Pleanála. In a democracy, people have the right to object. An oral hearing will take place and a planning decision will be made. That is how things work in a democracy. It is not about protests, riots and all those things. Rather, it is about people engaging in a proper democratic process.

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The Taoiseach does not know the difference between a riot and a protest.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

On the importation of fracked gas, it is something I need to check out. I do not know whether it is possible to ban the importation of fracked gas into Ireland but it is something we will examine.

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