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Smoky coal ban and speaking time

Summary

Members clashed over the Government’s consultation on a nationwide smoky coal ban, with concerns about delay, air quality, legality and rural fuel use. The Taoiseach defended the approach, then the exchange drifted into an off-topic dispute about timekeeping and the UN development index before the Chair restored order.

Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Is Thursday's business agreed to? Agreed.

We have 25 minutes left and when people are thinking about asking questions, they should please consider promised legislation. I do not think I can accept questions that are more suited to Topical Issue matters or parliamentary questions. Members can put the question but if the Taoiseach cannot answer constituency questions, we are wasting time.

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On 28 September 2015, there was a banner headline in The Irish Times, "Nationwide ban on smoky coal due within the next year". Last Monday, there was again a headline in The Irish Times to the effect that the Government would take action on the smoky coal ban but when one reads the detail, one will see it is a consultation framework and it is being referred to councils. This is more ducking and diving, dodging of the core issue and failure of backbone or to stand up to the vested interests. In a recent letter to Deputy Browne from the HSE on this issue, the HSE estimates that the cost to the Exchequer of poor air quality and associated health impacts is approximately €2 billion a year. In addition, the Environmental Protection Agency confirms the extraordinary impact of the introduction by the then Minister, Mary Harney, of the smoky coal ban in 1990 on air quality. The medical evidence shows a reduction in respiratory illnesses and premature death. Given the overwhelming medical evidence, it is extraordinary that a Minister was able to do it in 1990 but the Government is incapable of doing it. This Government seems to lack the bottle to take on the vested interests in the interest of good human health and air quality.

Several of us have been raising this for well over a year. The reason for that first headline was that the then Minister, Deputy Kelly, made that commitment. It was a legislative promise by the Government. He was in the previous Government. He was followed in office by Deputy Naughten, who made the promise. The former Minister, Deputy Naughten, is going around the place saying that if he was still there, this definitely would have happened. I assume he had access to the same advices that the current Minister has.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

I know the Deputy is a lover of conspiracy theories but I am sure he does not really believe that I write the headlines in the newspapers. I have not quite got that kind of power.

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He has written a fair few.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

The issue of smoky coal is twofold. It is not 1990 any more. That was nearly 30 years ago and things have changed since then. We now know that turf briquettes and solid fuel are just as bad for air quality-----

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They are 5% of them-----

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

-----as smoky coal if not worse.

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The Taoiseach wants to kill us off altogether. That is his agenda anyway.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

People moving from smoky coal to briquettes or turf or wood does not improve the air quality.

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That is not right.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

We have to bear that in mind. That is the environmental issue. There is also a legal issue-----

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The Government should make a decision rather than have a consultation.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

-----which is the risk that for that reason, an extension of the ban nationwide may cause the entire ban to be struck down and that would be a disaster.

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It is hiding behind consultations.

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I will sue the Taoiseach if he bans it in Enniscorthy but not in Dublin.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

As the Deputy goes off topic, I would like with his indulgence to go briefly off topic once as well. I want to acknowledge the fact that UN today published its development index which shows that Ireland is now the third best country in the world in which to live.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

When it comes to quality of life-----

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The Taoiseach must be the third best leader.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

This is not my opinion; this is the UN's opinion.

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The Taoiseach gets the bronze medal.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Taoiseach, please. I call Deputy Eoin Ó Broin.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

It is up from fourth place last year-----

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That is not the question I asked.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Deputy Eoin Ó Broin.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

-----and up from 17th place in 2012.

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Tell that to the 200,000 children on waiting lists.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

That is based on the economy, jobs, life expectancy and education.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Taoiseach, please-----

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

This has not come from a UN committee-----

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

The Taoiseach might focus on the question asked.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

-----or from a UN rapporteur.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

It has come from the United Nations Development Programme, which is a UN agency. I look forward to the "Prime Time" special dedicated to-----

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

No one-----

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

-----explaining to the country exactly how we managed to get to fourth place in the entire world.

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The Taoiseach is some man for one man.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Excuse me but no one in this House has the right to take up the time of Members who want to raise questions.

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

Please refrain from going off script or off topic.

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The Leas-Cheann Comhairle just let the leader of the Opposition speak for more than two and a half minutes.

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The Taoiseach raises whatever he wants-----

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

No. Deputy Farrell should be very familiar with the role of the Chair. He is good when he is in the chair.

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I am very familiar-----

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Pat the Cope Gallagher An Leas-Cheann Comhairle Fianna Fáil

I am protecting the rights of all Members. Deputy Eoin Ó Broin is next.

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