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Dáil
‹ An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business

Order of Business

Summary

The Ceann Comhairle proposes the day's business. Deputies Cullinane and Boyd Barrett object, mainly over unpublished Revised Estimates and lack of transparency about NPHET advisory minutes, while McGrath adds concerns about the Estimates briefing.

I remind Members that it was agreed in the House last week that, for the duration of the Covid-19 emergency only, the rapporteur's report from the Business Committee shall not be read out but should be taken as read. Accordingly, I will proceed to put the two proposals relating to this week's business. Is the proposal for dealing with today's business agreed to?

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It is not agreed. I wish to raise an issue regarding the technical motion on the Revised Estimates. My understanding is that is to be taken after-----

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That is not-----

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That is today. It is to be taken after the Taoiseach's questions. There is a fundamental problem here because there is a flaw in this process. These Revised Estimates have not yet been published. We, as a party, have sought a detailed briefing on them; we have not got one. If we hold off passing this motion until 2 o'clock, it will delay the publication of the Revised Estimates even more. This is a very unusual circumstance. We have a caretaker Government and an unelected Minister. We have Estimates being presented which, based on the figures we have seen, suggest that the pandemic unemployment payment, PUP, and the wage subsidy scheme will end in June. That is outrageous if that is the proposition that is being put or if it is the case that the Estimates are going to be out of date even before we debate them. This is ludicrous. We cannot support the Order of Business unless we get a guarantee from Government that the Estimates will be published today as soon as possible and that there is a clear verbal briefing for the Opposition. We have sought it in writing and have been told that it is not forthcoming. That is unacceptable. We will oppose the Order of Business if we do not get that commitment from Government.

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I concur with that point, but I want to raise another issue. The sessions we are having this week, and indeed every week, were established on the basis that we could ask questions of Ministers and get accountability during the Covid-19 pandemic. Last week in the Dáil, I was given a commitment by the CMO that they would publish the minutes of the expert advisory group to NPHET.

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No, I assume that it happened at the committee meeting. We cannot really-----

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No, hold on, a Cheann Comhairle. I am pointing out that the procedures and the mechanisms for accountability set up by the Business Committee, where I first sought the publication of the minutes of the expert advisory group on 16 March-----

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Can I make the point-----

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I am not questioning the validity of the point which the Deputy is making-----

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There were multiple commitments. Are commitments made-----

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The Deputy cannot transact the business of the sub-committee-----

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No, I am asking whether commitments made in this House and to the Business Committee are respected or are they just meaningless.

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All right. We will try to get the Deputy an answer on that.

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I got answers, I have got commitments and promises and they have come to nothing.

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The Deputy has made his point.

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At this point the Dáil and the Business Committee are being treated with contempt by the refusal to publish the minutes of the expert advisory group; the people who are supposed to be advising NPHET on the public health response.

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The Deputy should please not conflate the business of the sub-committee with the business of the House.

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It is not just the sub-committee; it is this House and the Business Committee.

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Okay. Deputy Mattie McGrath wishes to be heard.

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