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‹ An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business

Ministerial pay and pensions

Summary

Alan Kelly sought clarity on whether the announced pay change was a real cut or only a waiver, and raised the use of Garda drivers and cars for a Minister of State. The Taoiseach replied that Ministers have a set salary, the increase was being gifted back, and pension entitlement follows that set rate.

In relation to the Government's decisions on ministerial pay, I note what the Taoiseach has just said but we need clarity as regards actual decisions. In relation to the ministerial pay cut, is this a cut or a waiver? The Taoiseach stated he is "gifting back". That means his pension will be the full amount. Correct me if I am wrong. It will not be the reduced amount. Second, when was the Government decision made to give the Minister, Deputy Coveney, two Garda drivers and a Garda car worth €200,000? In 2011, a decision was made that that would only be for the Taoiseach, the Tánaiste and the Minister for Justice and Equality. When was the Government decision recorded for that change, as well as for an aide-de-camp for the Tánaiste, which is bloody well ridiculous? When were those decisions made? Is it a waiver or a cut? When was the Government decision for the Garda car and drivers and the aides-de-camp made? The decision in 2011 still stands otherwise.

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The Deputy can ask one question on one matter.

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In that scenario, because I have checked it up through parliamentary questions, the way in which ------

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Deputy Kelly's time is up.

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The way in which this decision was recorded is not reflected properly.

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The Deputy knows full well we are talking about Ministers gifting back a portion of their salary.

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No, that is not what I am saying.

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Yes. There is a set salary for An Taoiseach, An Tánaiste and Ministers.

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The Taoiseach's pension is not affected.

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The same as Deputy Kelly's.

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The same applied to Deputy Kelly when he was a Minister. The point is there is a set rate. In respect of any increases that have come the way of Ministers in the last number of years, they gifted them back. We decided to make it cleaner yesterday by saying 10% across the board, which in my case will result in gifting back close to €25,000 to the State. That is a gift back but it is a de facto cut, as well, in what one would ordinarily receive. The Deputy is correct that the pension entitlement relates to the rate the salary is set at, although I point out that back in 2010, I took a significant cut in pension because I stayed on in politics and I gave back a severance of about €80,000.

I just want to make that point because these things do not get said and I never want to say them. I just did it and got on with it. I am not in here for that side of things. If I was, I would have been out of here a long time ago.

In respect of the Minister, Deputy Coveney, the matter did not have to go before Cabinet. My understanding is that there is a security dimension to that, which I am not going to interfere with.

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