Debenhams stock collection
Deputy Barry asked whether KPMG could collect non-essential stock from Debenhams during lockdown and what that would mean for pickets. The Taoiseach said lockdown rules on essential work would apply and that the best resolution was through talks.
Is KPMG to be allowed to collect non-essential stock from Debenhams, a non-essential retail store, over the next six weeks? People need clarity on this issue. If the answer is "Yes", even if the trucks and vans are only to travel the 5 km, then workers are going to be forced to maintain pickets during the lockdown. If the answer is "No", then is the Government going to allow a situation where the dispute remains unresolved during lockdown, meaning pickets will have to be put in place again three weeks before Christmas under threat of a High Court injunction and jail at Christmastime or, instead, will the Government convene talks with KPMG, Mandate and shop stewards to ensure that a reasonable offer is made that can resolve this dispute? Workers need clarity on this issue. We are hoping that the Taoiseach can provide that clarity in his reply today.
Comment on this
On the lockdown, the measures are very clear in terms of what is essential and non-essential work. That will apply. The Garda, as in the case of the previous lockdown and under the level 3 restrictions, has operational discretion but the situation is clear. We have allowed construction and manufacturing work to continue and there is a list of exemptions. I am not, on foot of every questioner, going to add or subtract from that list. The optimal way to resolve this matter is through talks to try to get something sorted as opposed to having people endlessly on the picket line. I do not want to see anybody in that position for a day longer than they should be. That has always been my position while operating within the framework of the law.