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Dáil
‹ An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business

Business Committee agenda and public health

Summary

The Taoiseach and Members sparred over aviation policy, mandatory hotel quarantine, and the late addition of the HSE cyberattack debate. The discussion also touched on the need to remain at the Convention Centre on public health grounds, with the Ceann Comhairle insisting the matter had been debated enough.

It is interesting how times move fairly quickly here. Deputies Duncan Smith, Cian O'Callaghan and McNamara raised aviation policy. To be fair to Deputy McNamara, he has had a consistent approach to Covid-19 from the get-go, which if he does not mind me saying so, is probably on the more civil libertarian wing, and he was never a great enthusiast for the Covid regulations per se.

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It is also about jobs and livelihoods.

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I am just putting on the record how I perceive the Deputy's contributions. I say to Deputies Smith and O'Callaghan that they were the guys looking for mandatory hotel quarantine, which impacts on aviation.

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That is very simplistic.

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It is not simplistic. You attacked the Government. Your leader attacked the Government - could not do it quick enough.

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No, that is not the issue.

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He could not have zero Covid quick enough about two months ago.

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That is disingenuous.

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It is two months on. Of course there is an issue. There are consequences arising out of Covid-19 and the measures that we take to deal with Covid-19. Without question, aviation has been a significant casualty because of the virus and measures that have been taken which have not facilitated travel. That is simple and the correct position. You cannot have it both ways.

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I am not having it both ways.

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The Deputy cannot come into the House and attack the Government for not moving quickly enough on mandatory hotel quarantine, and I remember the debates well and the fervour with which those debates were articulated-----

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Taoiseach, we cannot really have a debate about these matters.

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-----and now, moving forward, say we do not have an aviation policy. We do and the Government will bring forward an approach to the travel issue that will be consistent with the European digital green certificate framework that the Commission, in parallel with the Parliament and the Council, has been working on. We will follow through on that. We have no issue with debating that in the House. The Government will be finalising its proposals on that next week in terms of the broader travel issue. The Government has supported airports and airlines through various instruments and mechanisms, but the greatest damage to travel and tourism and to aviation has been the virus. That is unfortunately the reality.

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We cannot have a lengthy debate.

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Regarding the lateness of the hour this evening, the Chief Whip said that was at the request of the Business Committee, with members and other parties wanting to discuss the cyberattack on the HSE and the restoration of service as quickly as possible. I understand that was requested at the Business Committee.

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Do Members want to drop that? That was what I understood the Chief Whip had said.

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To be clear on that matter, a special notice question was tabled and the Government, as I understand it, decided that it would facilitate the debate on this by allowing for 110 minutes, which has been added to the end of the day.

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I think that is reasonable, given the gravity and seriousness of the attack itself.

Deputy Tóibín raised the issue of hot meals in schools. An expanded scheme has been provided for that this year. I do not know whether that necessitates changing the agenda or not. We can get the Minister to respond to Deputies about that point.

On the broader point regarding Covid, that is a matter for the House and the Government does not dictate where the Dáil meets.

That may be a matter for the Houses of the Oireachtas Commission. I am not sure of the mechanisms within the Oireachtas.

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I would be very surprised if there was any Member of this House or anyone else with an interest in politics who was not aware that we came here reluctantly and that we have stayed here reluctantly.

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I agree.

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All of this has been done on the basis of the best public health advice available to us. As long as that advice encourages us to remain here, we will have to consider doing so. When the advice tells us to revert to Leinster House, that is what we will do. If people want to go sooner, we will have to balance that wish against the public health advice we are being given.

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I fully accept that, a Cheann Comhairle. I endorse and agree with what you are saying but Deputy Mac Lochlainn was looking at me plaintively as if I could do something about it. I was just making the point that you have responded to public health-----

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The Taoiseach is doing stand-up now.

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I sincerely doubt that Deputy Mac Lochlainn ever looks plaintively at the Taoiseach.

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