Order of Business
Members disputed the weekly arrangements and raised requests for debates on the Amnesty report, the National Maternity Hospital, Shannon LNG, Ukraine, and other agenda concerns. The Taoiseach defended the schedule and available time, and the House agreed the Order of Business after a division was not called.
The Business Committee's report has been circulated and can be taken as read. The question is if the proposed arrangements for this week's business are agreed to.
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They are not agreed. I asked for a debate on the Amnesty International report which indicts Israel for crimes against humanity and that argues for targeted sanctions against Israeli officials guilty of crimes against humanity and perpetrating what it describes as an apartheid regime for systematic breaches of international law.
While the Government has granted that debate, it has put it on Wednesday night at 9 p.m. and has given very little time for it. That also suggests to me that while the Government is in favour of sanctions against certain warmongers and crimes against humanity, it is not in favour of supporting the recommendations from Amnesty in regard to crimes against humanity committed by Israel. Will the Government allow for a proper debate at a proper time on Thursday for this critical debate about the Amnesty report on Israel?
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The Deputy is way over time. That matter got great debate at the Business Committee. I call Deputy Joan Collins.
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Deputy Pringle raised at the Business Committee the issue of a debate on the National Maternity Hospital. We have recently seen media reports of deals being made and deals being brought to Cabinet. I ask that the National Maternity Hospital be debated in the Dáil Chamber.
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I am calling for a full and comprehensive debate on the proposed Shannon LNG terminal in the Shannon Estuary. We need to have a frank and honest debate here about the provision of energy. At present, we are importing coal from Russia and Europe is importing gas from Russia and we are then talking about sanctioning Russia. We need to have a frank and honest debate here about the provision of energy into the future. We need to be able to buy gas from other entities like the United States and places like that which might be inclined to sell it to us, and not leave the people stranded without electricity. They closed Bord na Móna and put nothing in its place. Shannon can provide an LNG terminal that would not cost the State one cent and it would be another option for us. Gas is much cleaner than coal, and the Taoiseach will have to admit that, yet he seems to be against it. He is making no attempt. He allowed his Minister for the Environment, Climate and Communications, the man tasked with providing energy for the country, to make a submission against this worthwhile project.
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Additional time has rightly been added to the schedule today for those Deputies who want to contribute to the debate on the motion in regard to the invasion of Ukraine but there is also very serious concern in this House about the situation in Palestine. Both Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International have defined this as an apartheid state. It is a very damning report. There has been a reasonable request for additional speaking time and, today, a number of us emailed that time should be set aside on Thursday. The Government could facilitate this, not the debate tomorrow night which is 100 minutes. We are asking for another 35 minutes. I think that could be scheduled very reasonably on Thursday to facilitate the concerns of Deputies. I think it is only reasonable that it be facilitated.
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I thank the Deputies for raising the issues. First, there was a genuine need and concern that we would extend the time for the debate on the shocking crisis in Ukraine and the shocking attack by Russia on the Ukrainian people. I was here last week and people were saying that NATO and the European countries were the warmongers, and the United States. They certainly were not, Deputy Boyd Barrett, and I think those who made those statements-----
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They are warmongers.
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Has the Taoiseach forgotten about Afghanistan?
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There is 210 minutes for tonight's debate. Then, tomorrow evening, provision has been made for 110 minutes for a debate on the Amnesty report in respect of Israel and Palestine - 110 minutes has been allocated for that.
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We are asking for a bit longer.
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I heard the Deputy. I just want to make the point that we are also a legislative assembly. It seems we have about two and a half days this week, maybe a bit longer. We need to have some time for Government legislation to get things done.
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And then just guillotine it all on the last day.
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We are a legislative assembly as well as a debating chamber and we have a fundamental obligation to pass legislation. I do not mind surrendering some time from Taoiseach's questions later on, if that is what the Deputies want to do, but we do not have a whole lot of time.
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Half an hour on Thursday. It is simple.
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If people go through the schedule for tomorrow, they will see that there are two sets of oral parliamentary questions, Leaders' Questions, Questions on Promised Legislation, the Institutional Burials Bill 2022, statements on the Final Report of the Joint Committee on Key Issues affecting the Traveller Community and the Topical Issue debate. Private Members' time, which incorporates time for the Opposition - that is fair enough - is much lengthier than in previous Dáileanna.
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Half an hour extra on Thursday. That is not a lot.
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The Taoiseach is being disingenuous because he does not support sanctions against Israel.
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I am asking where is the time for Government legislation if all we do is keep on having debates and statements every week. We can do that every week.
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We are asking for half an hour on Thursday.
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We can have statements on a variety of matters. Most people will accept, however, that the crisis in Ukraine demands our immediate attention and inputs from Members regarding what additional work they want the Government to do in respect of the humanitarian crisis and EU sanctions. That is wholly legitimate because it is an issue we are dealing with right now with our European partners.
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So are crimes against humanity.
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There is a meeting on Thursday of Justice and Home Affairs ministers and so on. That is not to undermine any other issue. I am just making the point.
On Deputy Danny Healy-Rae's point, the Topical Issue debate is available to him to raise the matter of Shannon LNG, if he so wishes. We work with Norway and the UK on gas supplies. We are very clear as a Government that gas is an essential transitional fuel to back up our efforts in renewables. That will continue. Luckily, with the Corrib field, we provide sufficient gas from our own resources.
We have not abolished Bord na Móna. I heard the Deputy say that. Is he oblivious to the extraordinary work that it is doing with regard to climate change in the context of wind and renewable energy and a range of other activities, providing employment and so forth?
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I asked a question regarding the National Maternity Hospital.
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I have no issue with a debate on the National Maternity Hospital. I am not sure if we can fit it in this week. The Deputy could raise this matter in the context of the Topical Issue debate. Submitting a Private Members' motion would also be an option. There are three Private Members' slots available to the Opposition.
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There are three Private Members' slots-----
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I submitted the matter for discussion on the Topical Issue debate six times in the past two weeks but it has not been taken.
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Can I suggest that a compromise on the debate on the Amnesty International report would be that the debate take place and be adjourned, and that we return to it in the future when time allows?
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Yes. The Ceann Comhairle said that at the Business Committee meeting yesterday.
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I did. That would be a suitable compromise. I do not see the need to divide the House on something of this nature.
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Does that mean that they could come in if there was time on Thursday?
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I cannot give that commitment. It is not my job to decide when time is available. If the debate is simply adjourned, we could come back to it. It would be open to Deputy Boyd Barrett and anyone else to request that it would come back onto the agenda.
Can I take it that the Order of Business for the week is agreed to?
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No. It is not agreed. We need a full debate on this.