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Carbon tax and LNG debate

Summary

Deputy Bríd Smith challenged the Taoiseach’s use of UN language on 'doublespeak' and attacked carbon tax, LNG and data centres. The Taoiseach defended carbon tax as redistributive, insisted there is no LNG in the country, and the Chair repeatedly intervened as the exchange became increasingly heated.

I want to quote back to the Taoiseach the words of the UN General Secretary, António Guterres. The Taoiseach quoted Mr. Guterres this morning as follows: "Some government and business leaders are saying one thing but doing another. Simply put, they are lying". The Taoiseach seems to think that this applies to the Opposition because those in opposition, or some of us, at least, are against the imposition of punitive carbon taxes on ordinary people. Yet carbon taxes seem to be the only tool in the Government's kit for dealing with climate change. While the Taoiseach uses this quote, at the same time he is leaving the door open to liquified natural gas, LNG, the proliferation of data centres and the reintroduction of gas-fired power stations. How does the Taoiseach answer that accusation? António Guterres is actually accusing the Taoiseach and the Government not the Opposition, which is opposed to the imposition of carbon taxes on ordinary people.

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I disagree. I quoted that this morning because, without question, there is a lot of doublespeak in this House and there is a lot of doublespeak among the Opposition. When it comes to any measure relating to climate change that has any sense of unpopularity about it, the Opposition will resist it or find some excuse to go against it.

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What is unpopular with the Taoiseach is banning data centres and shutting down the possibility of LNG here.

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Please.

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What about the actual fossil fuels?

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The ESRI's research on carbon tax contradicts the Deputy's assertion. It states that the lower four deciles are not negatively impacted by it because it is offset by-----

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Nonsense. The Taoiseach should listen to the science not to his own logic.

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Please Deputy.

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Because the carbon tax is redistributed, the lower three are basically not negatively affected. The Deputy knows that. However, that does not matter to her because she is only interested in the electoral gain on this.

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I am asking the Taoiseach about the science of allowing in LNG and allowing data centres to use up our electricity.

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Please.

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We do not have LNG in this country.

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The Government is allowing it in. It is leaving the door open.

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Deputy please. There is no provision for people to interrupt continuously while questions are-----

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There is when you are angry and you cannot help yourself. The Taoiseach is accusing me of------

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No. There is no such provision. The Deputy is out of order.

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