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Dáil
‹ Ceisteanna ó Cheannairí - Leaders' Questions

Business taxes and Government spending

Summary

Deputy O'Donoghue continued attacking the Government's tax take and claimed it does not understand business. The Taoiseach replied that Government is not a business, argued that taxation funds public services and job protection, and said the State intervened heavily during Covid and will do so again in the energy crisis.

The Taoiseach has just said one true thing, which is that the Government is not a business. He has explained that he does not understand business and neither does any of his Cabinet. If he understood business, he would understand how to live in this country. These are the Taoiseach's own records. I see Deputy Niall Collins over there having a good laugh, the same man who turned around and told the hotels in this country they were gouging. It was the Dublin hotels that were gouging, not the Limerick ones and the other ones. However, no, he did not get his facts right either.

The VAT take so far this year is a staggering €15.4 billion, 30% more than this time last year, which means the Government has taken in €4.6 billion more in VAT this year than last year. That means in business terms that the State has a massive profit. That means everyone else in this country is at a massive deficit, whether they are in business or wherever they are working; whatever they do, they are in a deficit. That is because the Taoiseach and his Cabinet do not understand business; I do. I am in business. I live it every day in real life. If I ran my business like the Government runs its business, I would not be in business.

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Again, Government is not a business.

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Exactly, it does not understand business.

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Does the Deputy understand that point?

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No, he does not.

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It is a very fundamental point in terms of how society----

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Yes.

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So you dictate to everyone else's business.

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No. The Government has to be the key instrument of the social contract in making sure that when a child is born in this country, that child has access to early education, the best of health services, and has an opportunity to progress to primary school, secondary school, further education and third level. That costs money.

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You are taxing their families out of existence.

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Tax does contribute and revenue generated----

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Some 30% more, Taoiseach.

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Deputy, you have been interrupting non-stop every time I get up to speak.

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Yes because you are not getting it.

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I have not interrupted you.

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Because you cannot hold a candle to me.

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At least have the basic decorum that this Parliament demands that you allow people to answer your question.

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You are not able to.

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The bottom line is this in terms of the revenue that we have raised, the country is in significant debt.

We borrow, and borrowed during Covid. The Deputy can go to any enterprise or business out there. I meet his businesses all the time and I meet businesses that provide services to all of us. What do they say about Government? They say, “Thank you for helping during Covid-19.”

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They acknowledge the intervention the Government made in an unprecedented way-----

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-----to keep jobs and enterprises intact.

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-----from last year.

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The proof of the pudding-----

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-----is that we kept them intact.

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We kept them intact. Do you know what? We will do everything we possibly can to protect jobs again in this unprecedented crisis.

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