Order of Business
The Government outlined the week's scheduled business and several Deputies objected, raising calls for debates on child sexual abuse allegations, CETA, and concerns about hate speech legislation procedure. The Taoiseach agreed to some future debates, said some issues were not feasible for the day, and the House then moved on after the proposed arrangements were not agreed.
I move:
Tuesday's business shall be:
- Motion re Referral to Joint Committee of proposed approval by Dáil Éireann of Horse and Greyhound Racing Fund Regulations 2022 (without debate)
- Motion re Referral to Joint Committee of proposed approval by Dáil Éireann of Planning and Development (Exempted Development) (No. 4) Regulations 2022 (without debate)
- Statements on Science Week (not to exceed 2 hrs 25 mins)
Private Members' Business shall be the Motion re Retained Firefighters, selected by Sinn Féin.
Wednesday’s business shall be:
- Motion re Referral to Committee in relation to Section 9 of Civil Law (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2022, Part (without debate)
- Motion re Supplementary Estimates for Public Service [Votes 27, 28, 30 and 35] (back from Committee) (to be moved together and decided without debate by one question)
- Motion re Leave to Introduce Supplementary Estimates [Votes 5, 12, 13, 14, 17, 20, 21, 22, 24, 26, 31, 33, 34, 37, 38, 42 and 45] (without debate)
- Statements post European Council meeting of 20th -21st of October, pursuant to Standing Order 124 (not to exceed 2 hrs 5 mins, including 20 mins Q&A)
- Motion re Extension of Civil Law (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2021 (to conclude within 55 mins)
- Credit Guarantee (Amendment) Bill 2022 (Committee and remaining Stages) (to be taken no earlier than 5.50 p.m. and to conclude within 90 minutes)
- Tailte Éireann Bill 2022 (Report and Final Stages) (to conclude within 60 mins)
Private Members' Business shall be the Motion re Energy Regulations, selected by the Rural Independent Group.
Thursday’s business shall be:
- Statements on Supporting the Development of Dublin City through Safety Initiatives and the Appropriate Provision of Emergency and Other Services (not to exceed 3 hrs 30 mins)
Thursday evening business shall be Second Stage of the Impaired Farm Credit Bill 2022.
Proposed Arrangements for this week's business:
In relation to Tuesday’s business, it is proposed that:
1. the ordinary routine of business as contained in Schedule 3 to Standing Orders shall be modified to the extent that the time allotted to Government business shall be extended for the purpose of allowing the Statements for Science Week to conclude, and private members' business shall be taken on the conclusion of the statements, with consequential effect on the commencement time for Parliamentary Questions to the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform, topical issues and the adjournment of the Dáil;
2. the Motion re Referral to Joint Committee of proposed approval by Dáil Éireann of Horse and Greyhound Racing Fund Regulations 2022 shall be taken without debate;
3. the Motion re Referral to Joint Committee of proposed approval by Dáil Éireann of Planning and Development (Exempted Development) (No. 4) Regulations 2022 shall be taken without debate; and
4. the Statements on Science Week shall not exceed 145 minutes, with arrangements in accordance with those agreed by Order of the Dáil of 30th July, 2020, for 135 minutes, following which a Minister or Minister of State shall be called upon to make a statement in reply which shall not exceed 10 minutes, and members may share time.
In relation to Wednesday’s business, it is proposed that:
1. the ordinary routine of business as contained in Schedule 3 to Standing Orders shall be modified to the following extent:
(i) the SOS shall be taken on the conclusion of the Statements post European Council meeting of 20th -21st of October, pursuant to Standing Order 124, which shall be taken on the conclusion of Parliamentary Questions to the Taoiseach pursuant to Standing Order 46(1), with consequential effect on the time for the commencement of Government business; and
(ii) the weekly division time may be taken earlier than 8.45 p.m., and shall in any event be taken on the conclusion of proceedings on the Tailte Éireann Bill 2022;
2. the Motion re Referral to Committee in relation to Section 9 of Civil Law (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2022, Part 2 shall be taken without debate;
3. the motions for the Supplementary Estimates for Public Service [Votes 27, 28, 30 and 35] shall be moved together and decided without debate by one question which shall be put from the Chair;
4. the Motion re Leave to Introduce Supplementary Estimates [Votes 5, 12, 13, 14, 17, 20, 21, 22, 24, 26, 31, 33, 34, 37, 38, 42 and 45] shall be taken without debate;
5. the Statements post European Council meeting of 20th -21st of October, pursuant to Standing Order 124 shall not exceed 125 minutes, and the following arrangements shall apply: (i) the statements shall not exceed 100 minutes, with speaking arrangements in accordance those agreed by Order of the Dáil of 30th July, 2020, followed by 20 minutes of questions and answers; (ii) on the conclusion of the questions and answers, a Minister or Minister of State shall be called upon to make a statement in reply which shall not exceed five minutes; and (iii) members may share time;
6. the Motion re Extension of Civil Law (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2021 shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion after 55 minutes and the following arrangements shall apply: (i) the order of speaking and allocation of time shall be as follows: - opening speech by a Minister or Minister of State – 10 minutes; - speech by a representative of Sinn Féin – 10 minutes; - speeches by representatives of the Labour Party, Social Democrats, People-Before-Profit-Solidarity, the Regional Group, the Rural Independent Group and the Independent Group – 5 minutes per party or group; and - a speech in response by a Minister or Minister of State – 5 minutes; and (ii) members may share time;
7. the Order of referral of the Credit Guarantee (Amendment) Bill 2022 to the Select Committee on Enterprise, Trade and Employment is hereby discharged and the proceedings on Committee and remaining Stages of the Bill shall be taken no earlier than 5.50 p.m., and shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion after 90 minutes by one question which shall be put from the Chair, and which shall, in relation to amendments, include only those set down or accepted by the Tánaiste and Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment; and
8. the proceedings on Report and Final Stage of the Tailte Éireann Bill 2022 shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion after 60 minutes by one question which shall be put from the Chair, and which shall, in relation to amendments, include only those set down or accepted by the Minister for Housing, Local Government, Heritage.
In relation to Thursday’s business, it is proposed that:
1. the ordinary routine of business as contained in Schedule 3 to Standing Orders shall be modified to the extent that topical issues may be taken earlier than 7.24 p.m. and shall in any event be taken on the conclusion of the Statements on Supporting the Development of Dublin City through Safety Initiatives and the Appropriate Provision of Emergency and Other Services, with consequential effect on the commencement time for the Impaired Farm Credit Bill 2022 and for the adjournment of the Dáil; and
2. the Statements on Supporting the Development of Dublin City through Safety Initiatives and the Appropriate Provision of Emergency and Other Services shall not exceed 210 minutes, with arrangements in accordance with those agreed by Order of the Dáil of 30th July, 2020, for 200 minutes, following which a Minister or Minister of State shall be called upon to make a statement in reply which shall not exceed 10 minutes, and members may share time.
Comment on this
It is not agreed.
Comment on this
We should have statements this week on the serious issue of allegations of child sexual abuse that have been made arising out of the RTÉ documentary and disclosures since then into the Spiritans, Blackrock College and other schools. It is a huge issue. My colleague, Deputy Ó Ríordáin, and many others have called for an independent inquiry and survivors have also been looking for that. It would be useful for us to hear the Government’s response to these very serious allegations this week and to have the opportunity to debate this issue. I know we have a busy schedule generally but we have two-and-a-half hours of statements on Science Week this afternoon. We could schedule time this week or next week for a debate on these allegations.
Comment on this
I am very unhappy with the scheduling and the way the Government handled, managed and scheduled the Criminal Justice (Incitement to Violence or Hatred and Hate Offences) Bill 2022 last week. The Minister for Justice gave us to believe that we would have the opportunity to put down amendments on Report Stage but we were debating Second Stage here last Thursday and the date for amendments had passed before we commenced Second Stage. This is shocking, it does not comply with Standing Orders and it is completely wrong. What is the Government's indecent haste in trying to rush this hate speech legislation through, breaching the procedures set down by this House, namely Standing Orders? Dáil procedure does not allow for that; there is a correct way of doing it. The Minister said she was not rushing it but she is rushing it in an inordinate hurry.
Comment on this
We have written to the Business Committee seeking a debate on the Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement, CETA, this week. It is vital that we have such a debate. It is clear that the Taoiseach has not read the judgment on CETA but the whole House needs to familiarise itself with it because it is clear that the legislation is not sufficient. It states:
...while such legislation is necessary, this in itself would not be sufficient. The Constitution does not permit the Government to ratify CETA nor the Oireachtas to enact the appropriate legislation giving effect to that decision for so long as the defences...to enforcement of a CETA Tribunal award under the ICSID and the New York Conventions respectively remain as circumscribed as they currently are. The gravamen of the constitutional objection which I have upheld is that, upon ratification of CETA as is currently proposed, the High Court would be virtually powerless to refuse the enforcement of a CETA Tribunal award.
It is also incorrect to say the agreement is about the expansion of trade and so on; this is about an investor court system. It is also incorrect that being in the EU gives us protection. We should look at the Canadian mining company suing Romania and another Canadian company is suing Croatia so we need to debate it this week.
Comment on this
I echo the call from Deputy Bacik on a debate on the abuse in Blackrock College and the Spiritans. The revelations over the course of the past week have been absolutely horrifying. It is clear that there will need to be a response from the State that will need to be thoughtful, considered and in line with the needs and wishes of the survivors and those who have bravely come forward. That would benefit from being discussed on the floor of the Dáil and I support that request.
Comment on this
I would concur with what the Deputies have said about the sickening and shocking nature of abuse at Blackrock College and the scale and nature of that abuse. We have time and next week might be a better opportunity. We had some preliminary discussions at Government level on this and we have to take some advice as well in respect of any current cases that are ongoing. I know the Garda has issued contact numbers and so on for people to contact it. I have no issue with having discussions with Members of the House. It is one thing to call for an inquiry but it is completely different to try to develop one. It must be a bespoke model that meets the needs of victims and survivors and that gets resolution. We should learn from experience as best we can and I am open to engaging with Members on that.
We are all in general for the Criminal Justice (Incitement to Violence or Hatred and Hate Offences) Bill 2022. We will vote on Second Stage tomorrow night so Committee Stage can start this week.
Comment on this
That is not my point. My point is that the date was gone-----
Comment on this
It is a matter of Standing Orders.
Comment on this
There were other issues the Taoiseach was going to address before he was interrupted.
Comment on this
Deputy Paul Murphy is of the view that no one has read the judgment but he wants a debate today on it. That is not feasible either so I suggest that we pencil a debate in at some stage. CETA has been provisionally in operation since 2017. We will not rush any response to this; we want to give due consideration to the judgment and the conclusion from the Supreme Court that amendment to the Arbitration Act 2010 would deal with the issue. It is not something that has to be rushed either this week or next week but I have no objection to a debate on CETA at some stage. We have already had debates on CETA in the House by the way.
Comment on this
Those are the responses. Are the proposed arrangements for the week's business agreed to?
Comment on this
Question put: “That the proposed arrangements for this week’s business be agreed to.”
Do you agree with this result?