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‹ Ceisteanna ó Cheannairí - Leaders' Questions

Defence report on allegations

Summary

Deputy Connolly pressed for clear answers on the independent review led by Judge Bronagh O’Hanlon and when the report would be completed and handed over. The Taoiseach said it was either complete or nearly complete, not yet with the Tánaiste, and that a fuller reply would follow within the week.

Baineann mo cheist leis an athbhreithniú neamhspleách atá ar siúl le bliain anuas faoi stiúir an Bhreithimh Bronagh O'Hanlon. Cá bhfuil an tuarascáil atá geallta? Laistigh de na téarmaí tagartha, dúradh linn go mbeadh an tuarascáil críochnaithe roimh dheireadh na bliana. Tá deireadh na bliana imithe agus tá bliain nua ann. Cá bhfuil an tuarascáil? An bhfuil sí ag an Taoiseach? An bhfuil dréacht-tuarascáil léite aige? Muna bhfuil, cá bhfuil sí? Cén fáth go bhfuil deifir ann maidir leis an tuarascáil in ainneoin chomh tromchúiseach is atá na líomhaintí agus na hábhair a nocht na mná cróga ó na fórsaí cosanta?

A year ago, exactly on this date, the then Minister for Defence, Deputy Coveney, announced an independent investigation into the allegations of Women of Honour and the women's experience in our armed forces. The aim was to establish a judge-led independent review to examine issues relating to sexual misconduct, including rape, bullying, harassment and discrimination in the forces. The announcement followed on from the documentary on RTÉ Radio 1 by Katie Hannon on 11 September. We were all silenced when we heard that show. I know exactly where I was; I was on my way back from Achill. The four of us in the car were totally silent as we listened to the programme. From 11 September until this date a year ago, there was engagement with Women of Honour. The women engaged with hope and full commitment for a while; however, they were not happy. The Government decided to go ahead with the review. Trust was broken at that point because what the women wanted in respect of what they had exposed was not what the got. They came forward trusting that the Government finally wanted to do something about the culture that appears to be endemic in the armed forces among both men and women. With this in mind, the Government set up a review body with three people, with Ms Justice Bronagh O'Hanlon in charge. The Taoiseach might clarify why the terms of reference have been breached. Where is the final report that was promised within a year? My colleagues and I have repeatedly asked Dáil questions on this. We were told the Government was perfectly on target to get the report before the end of November. Where is it?

The Taoiseach might clarify another matter. In one of the answers we received, there was a reference to a discrete issue regarding another report, from a senior counsel. Has that been received and fed to the tribunal?

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

Gabhaim buíochas leis an Teachta as a ceist. Is rud an-tábhachtach é, mná d'onóir. Ceapaim go bhfuil an tuarascáil leis an Aire Cosanta anois ach níl mé cinnte, agus tá sé ag dul go dtí an Liobáin inniu. I understand the report is either complete or nearing completion and that if it is not already with the Tánaiste and Minister for Defence, it is certainly due in the very near future. When he receives it, he will consider it. He will probably want to speak to the Attorney General about it as well, and then he will bring a recommendation to the Government as to how we take it forward.

It is important to state the judge-led review was always a first step towards further action. This is a matter that the Government is very concerned about. The Tánaiste is deeply concerned about it. Indeed, he met representatives of Women of Honour personally roughly a year ago. I know he wants to take the matter forward, but I do not want to say any more than that for fear of giving the Deputy inaccurate information. That is my understanding of the situation as of today.

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I am going to try to be very precise. The terms of reference stated a report should be completed within a year. The Minister, at various stages, told us we were on target in that regard. Has a report been completed? Has a report been handed over to the Minister? The answer to each of these questions is "Yes" or "No".

When the announcement was made, there was a related matter in that the Minister had received the nomination of a Ms Ruth Fitzgerald, SC, with a view to having her conduct an independent assessment of the specific actions taken. It is set out here. I have a question in this regard. We were told by the Government that it was to be a discrete assessment and that the outcome would be made available to the independent review group once completed. Was that report completed?

I would like to take extra time. However, to be fair, I do not know where I am with the time because we have got extra time. Where am I now with it?

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The time is up.

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I will never ask the Ceann Comhairle again. I will certainly just take the time.

Where are we now with the report? It is important that we have specific answers on this. There have been most serious allegations of rape and sexual abuse. It has been acknowledged repeatedly by the Minister and other members of the Government that the culture in question is not of the past; it is the pervading culture still. At the weekend, we saw in the newspapers that women and men are afraid. I am out of time and will not take up any more time. I would really like a specific answer.

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Leo Varadkar The Taoiseach Fine Gael

Níl an tuarascáil leis an Tánaiste fós. Tá an Tánaiste thar lear. I understand he has not yet received the report, but we will give the Deputy a more detailed answer to her specific questions before the end of the week. I understand from the Tánaiste's office that he has not received the report as yet but that it is expected very soon.

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