NATO debate and neutrality
Deputy Barry attacked the Government’s NATO debate and the treatment of young protesters, sparking a heated exchange over his remarks about older people. The Minister defended the debate as open, rejected claims it was rigged or stacked, and reaffirmed that Ireland’s military neutrality would not change.
Young people were to the fore in the protest at UCC this morning. That is not surprising. Young people have the most to lose from the militarisation of the world that the Government wants to join in with. Despite being pushed and dragged out the doors of UCC by gardaí, despite only one speaker out of 80 at this forum being from Generation Z, despite the tut-tutting in Oireachtas corridors from old baldies and greyheads, young people's voices will be heard. I see the Tánaiste is saying that their arguments were incoherent and not evidence-based. Well, I look at the words on their banner: “NATO wars. Millions dead”. I think there is a lot of evidence for that. There are five speakers at this forum who are pro-NATO or pro-EU militarisation for every one against. Yes, there is a debate going on there but it is not a debate about whether to join the rush to militarise. Rather it is about how we do it and how fast. It is rigged. It is stacked. It is not a real debate. I am confident the Irish people will be a little bit wiser to what is going on here than what the Minister might think.
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Did the Deputy refer to baldies and greyheads there? Do I take it he will not be canvassing for support from any bald person or any grey person in Cork North-Central at the next election? I do not know why he felt the need to throw in-----
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The Minister knows precisely the point I am making.
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I do not know why he felt the need to throw in a disparaging remark like that. I am sure the people that description might relate to will remember exactly what you said.
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My voters do not tut-tut young people.
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It was petty and unnecessary. On the substantive issue, I do not know what the Deputy has against debate. This is an opportunity for civil society to have a debate on a really important issue not only for Ireland but every country in the world -----
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It is a rigged debate.
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----- on defence, foreign policy and security.
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It is a stacked debate.
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It is not rigged or stacked. We have been very clear.
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There is no intention of changing Ireland's position on military neutrality. I think the Deputy knows that well. He might reflect on his comments.